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Recreational Sea Angling and Marine Protected Areas Research Workshop
Date: March 12th, 2008
Place: Room LG 5-6 at 3-8 Whitehall Place, London (Defra Office)
Attendees:
| Rob Blyth-Skyrme (Natural England- Chair) | Mike Pawson (independent scientist) |
Date: March 12th, 2008
Place: Room LG 5-6 at 3-8 Whitehall Place, London (Defra Office)
Attendees:
| Nicola Clarke (Defra) | Graham Pickett (independent scientist) |
Background:
Nicola Clarke (Defra) Graham Pickett (independent scientist)
Steve Colclough (EA) Tom Pinborough (NFSA)
Tim Dapling (Sussex SFC) Nigel Proctor (NFSA)
Mark Duffy (NE) Leon Roskilly (SACN)
Richard Ferre (NFSA) Mike Smith (CEFAS)
Mike Heylin (FACT) Phil Stuckey (NMC)
John Laballeur (BASS) Les Weller (SACN)
Stuart MacPherson (NFSA) Tony Williams (NFSA)
David Morton (Save our Sharks)
Government has committed to introducing a of ecologically coherent network of well managed marine protected areas (MPAs) around the coast of England by 2012. Natural England (NE) and JNCC (in conjunction with other organisations) are working to provide information that will allow the new Marine Bill MPAs (MCZs1) to be introduced in such a way that conservation objectives are achieved whilst adverse impacts on user groups are minimised wherever possible. From experience it is clear that recreational sea anglers (RSAs) are a vital stakeholder group and should be influential in this process.
This workshop was intended to:
(i) examine the issues around RSA and MPAs
(ii) discuss and develop the RSA research that is planned or is already being conducted
(iii) identify ways to ensure that the RSA community is actively involved with MPA research.
Agenda:
- RSA and MPAs- an introduction (RB-S)
- Defra’s rationale for RSA research and development (NC)
- RSAs’ key objectives and issues for research and development (RF)
- CEFAS programme of RSA work- key objectives and issues (MS)
- Fisheries Challenge Fund project on restricted catch areas to benefit RSA (MP)
- Environment Agency programme of RSA work- key objectives and issues (SC)
- Countryside Council for Wales- ongoing work to gather RSA data (RS/RB-S)
- Discussion (All)
- Does associated R&D work (ongoing and planned) cover what is needed?
- What can be done to ensure project money is made available?
- How can better links be made between projects?
- Who should be involved in research, and how do we make sure they are?
- What needs to happen next?
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- Key Points:
RSA and MPAs- an introduction (RB-S)
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- Some confusion was expressed over NE’s role in MPA work- is it fish or biodiversity that is the key focus for Natural England and for MPAs?
- N.B. Biodiversity is the key focus for NE, but it is appropriate to aim for fisheries benefits as well if combined objectives can be met.
- The MPA network will be developed through 4 regional MPA projects in the North Sea, Channel, South West (Finding Sanctuary) and Irish Sea. The RSA community want to be involved, but how?
- N.B. Only Finding Sanctuary is sufficiently progressed to have actually begun collecting data, and a RSA Liaison Officer is shortly to be appointed. The other projects are at the scoping stage, but will be seeking to engage the RSA community in due course.
- Some doubt was expressed that entirely equitable division of fish resources could be achieved between recreational and commercial fishers generally.
- Bait collection was raised as a key issue, so intertidal MPAs are and would continue to be a concern for the RSA community. The development of a national Code of Practice was suggested as a means to avoid repeated need for negotiations about consenting bait digging.
- It was highlighted that most angling takes place on or close to the shore. MPAs in this area would be of concern and/or interest to RSAs.
- Concern was expressed about how to engage the average angler on the shore, as opposed to those people actively involved in RSA representation at the regional or national scale.
- In principle, MPAs providing improved protection for fish spawning or nursery grounds were considered by all present to be beneficial.
- Frustration was expressed over the lack of answers to questions e.g., how many MPAs were likely to be introduced, how big and where would they be, and what activities might be restricted within or around them?
- N.B. This meeting is early in the MCZ designation process, and principles and criteria for MCZ selection are being worked-up at the moment. The intention is to consult RSAs throughout the site selection process. Natural England hopes that RSAs will engage with the 4 regional MCZ projects as they develop.
- RSAs felt that there should be a principle of maximum access to MPAs.
- There was concern from the RSA community about over application of the precautionary principle i.e., if there was any doubt, all damaging activities could be banned inside MPAs. RSAs considered that there should be a presumption of RSA being allowed in MPAs, unless clear, understandable conservation objectives were set.
- It was thought that RSAs could be strong advocates for MPAs, and useful eyes and ears for management, but this would need to be linked to reasonable constraints on activities.
- It was commented that protecting ‘essential fish habitats’ should provide benefits to RSAs and to commercial fishermen.
- It was argued that in gathering evidence for better management of sites, species and RSA, a balance needed to be struck between protecting areas and allowing them to be used by RSAs.
- Some confusion was expressed over NE’s role in MPA work- is it fish or biodiversity that is the key focus for Natural England and for MPAs?
CEFAS Recreational Sea Angling programme of work- key objectives and issues (MS)
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- A significant objective of this work is to understand the potential impacts of improving fish stocks. If stock size increases, will it lead to increased RSA activity and therefore escalating socio-economic value of the sport?
- Species to be studied in this study are: cod, bass, grey mullet, tope and salmon. The work would include a review of management approaches taken and current stock status, and an economic valuation of the importance of the species for RSA vs. commercial interests, for the first time using comparable methodologies.
- N.B. A key issue for the majority of the RSA representatives was for flounder to be incorporated into the study, possibly at the expense of grey mullet if resources were not available to include that species as an addition.
- The study will review management approaches that have been adopted for different species, and their direct impact on related fish stocks.
- MS agreed to send the proposed logbook outline to RF to consider with NFSA. RSA representatives made the point that all species should be included in the logbook, not just the top RSA species.
- N.B. The format of the EA catch recording scheme for grayling could provide useful good practice.
- A point was made that there should be considerable integration between aspects of this work and evidence gathering work being undertaken by Jo Myers in Defra’s Marine Biodiversity Team.
Fisheries Challenge Fund project on restricted catch areas to benefit RSA (MP)
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- This work will look at the potential impact on recreational bass angling of reducing the mortality of fish in specific local areas, based on work on migration patterns that shows that the majority of fish return to a home range each summer.
- A key question will be: will more RSAs spend more time fishing, and therefore spend more money, if there are more big fish in the sea? Answering this question will help in advocating changes to related fisheries management policies.
- The work will examine the management options for RSA within restricted catch areas.
- Identification of potentially suitable study areas was deemed critical- trial and comparable control areas were needed. If people had any suggestions for suitable areas then please contact MP.
- Enforcement and buy-in from the RSA and commercial sectors, as well as from the SFCs, would be fundamental to the success of the project.
- Looking at RSA management options in restricted catch areas should be useful in determining RSA management options within and around any future MPAs.
- A 2-page flyer will be produced to help disseminate information on the project.
Environment Agency programme of RSA work- key objectives and issues (SC)
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- The EA have undertaken an extensive body of work which has shown the importance of estuaries as fish nursery grounds. Bass, mullet and flatfish were highlighted.
- The EA would wish to see estuaries and other intertidal areas accorded more sensitive management in future, whether under MPAs or under MSP, in recognition of their critical nursery role.
Discussion (All)
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- The Marine Bill is a key piece of legislation with regard to its potential impacts on the RSA sectors. RSA representatives were concerned that there was little detail on the nature and scale of intent for the new MCZ networks.
- RSAs were keen that they should be able distinguish themselves from the commercial sector, with the intention of being able to utilise restricted access sites in future.
- Concern was expressed by the RSA representatives about future MPAs being placed around angling hotspots.
- RSAs wanted to make sure that any opportunities to develop RSA activities within new windfarm sites were explored.
- All thought that it was essential to develop management and mitigation options for RSA in MPAs, and that we need to understand the potential benefits of MPAs for RSAs.
- Support was expressed for the RSA research being conducted, but it was asked that the work was advertised widely so that RSAs could become involved if desired.
- It was reiterated that, as soon as possible, RSAs wanted to see the objectives and criteria for MCZ networks that are coming forward through the 4 regional projects.
- It was agreed that all RSAs attending this meeting would act as regional/national contacts, and would disseminate information regarding from this and future meetings on RSA-MPA work.
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For further comments, please contact:
Dr. Rob Blyth-Skyrme
Senior Fisheries Specialist
Natural England
Tel: 01733 455274
E-mail: rob.blyth-skyrme@naturalengland
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Glenn Kilpatrick on 14 May 2008 at 12:57 pm #
Here we go again. Yet another sub group of a sub group of an original group. There are many questions that need asking on this topic and many issues to be addressed before anyone claiming to represent sea anglers should even sit at a table with DEFRA. Upon seeing these minutes, alarms bells instantly ring for me. This sounds very similar to the inshore fisheries working group - where a group of sea anglers sat down with DEFRA, greens and commercial fishermen and drew up the Recreational Sea Angling Strategy (RSA STRATEGY). To cut a long story short those individuals (Unelected and un representative) sold the average sea angler down the river. Those people who do not understand what happened, need to know little more than those individuals formed the concept of the sea angling licence, sea fishing bag limits, bait digging restrictions and areas of the sea where anglers would be unable to take fish. The biggest gripe for myself being that those sea anglers who sat down with DEFRA in the Inshore Fisheries Working Group did not seek the opinions of the nations sea anglers, they did not even ask if the nations sea anglers wanted to take place in any discussions with DEFRA, and what they did in those meetings was to follow their own personal beliefs with an aim of fulfilling their own goals and not necessarily the goals of the angling public at large. It is rather worrying for me that many of the names who decided they would speak for the nations sea anglers on that occasions are again to be found within the minutes of this sub group.
Questions I would like to ask those individuals are :
1. Who has asked you to speak on behalf of the nations sea anglers ?
2. The SACN and Save Our Sharks are tiny organisations representing less than 0.5% of the nations sea anglers. Both these organisations are run by individuals who are conservationists more so than anglers, The green parties already have represenatives, they dont need any more. So Why are the SACN and SOS being allowed to sit in these meetings and make decisions which will impact so many of us ?
3. Given what you learned (Hopefully) from the Inshore fisheries working group, where you found yourselves to be powerless and dictated to by Commercial fishermen, greens and the government, What are you going to do this time to ensure the same doesn’t happen again ? I for one am fed up to the back teeth of so called sea angling representatives giving away our ancients rights to fish freely in the sea and then coming back to us claiming some sort of great victory for sea angling. We aren’t that gullible you know.
4. How are you going to ensure you get and represent the opinions of the countries sea anglers rather than following your own agenda’s as you did with the inshore fisheries working group.
5. The meetings of the Inshore fisheries working group were often done behind closed doors. Little information was passed to the countries sea anglers many of whom to this day dont even know what you did on their behalves. The secrecy of the Inshore Fisheries Working Group and the secrecy surrounding the drafting of the RSA strategy was appalling. How are you going to ensure that all sea anglers find out about your new sub group and how are you going to ensure that the information is presented in accessible format avoiding jargon and terminology that only yourselves seem to understand ?
Colin sharp on 15 May 2008 at 9:09 am #
I totally agree with Glenns comments and questions. Who has given you the voice of Millions of Sea Anglers? I don’t ever remember voting for anyone to represent me. How do you propose to keep every single Angler up to date with the minutes from these meetings etc? It appears to me that you seem to have your own agenda for whatever reason, to try and hinder the Sea Angler from catching fish.
Regards Colin Sharp.
Stuart McPherson on 15 May 2008 at 10:02 am #
# It was agreed that all RSAs attending this meeting would act as regional/national contacts, and would disseminate information regarding from this and future meetings on RSA-MPA work
Hi Glenn Colin
The above is the answer to part of your questions. Glenn received a copy of the minutes of the meeting as he is a member of the committee of the Yorkshire Division of the NFSA. The above paragraph indicates that I have agreed to disseminate information to the region as did the other RSA members. This was the first meeting and I attended as a “new boy” As Glenn rightly points out the majority of the members comprised of the Inshore Fishing Working Group.
You both pose a difficult question How you reflect the views of the million or so RSas across the country I think you will agree that these views are as diverse as the methods of sea fishing that we all adopt. You can only try to identify a common thread. On bait digging and bag limits that may not be so difficult and the views on this forum can clearly indicate these. But others like should we have MPAs will be more complex and there will be divided opinion. I will continue to disseminate the information via the Yorkshire Division Committee of the NFSA. You may not agree that this is the best method, but it has reached a wider audiance this time. You may not agree that it is representative of the views of many RSAs. But it is the nearest thing that we have got to an elected body that you both object to in your comments. You don’t have to join to attend the Yorkshire Division meetings they are OPEN but it would be nice if you did and stood for election at the AGM in July then the committee woulkd be more representative of the RSAs in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire.