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Whitby Charter Skippers - Why Dont They Anchor On The Wrecks ??

Discussion in 'Sea Fishing Forum - Shore, Boat & Kayak Fishing' started by Baramundi Bob, Mar 17, 2009.

  1. Baramundi Bob

    Baramundi Bob Super Leeds United !!!

    I have noticed that in other parts of the UK, the charter skippers often anchor up over wrecks. In all the years I have fished I have never known a local charter boat do wreck anchoring. Why is this ? and do you think it could be done ??
     
  2. shammy67

    shammy67 only dead fish go with the flow

    i know its a very technical manoeuver to anchor over a wreck glen,tide depth and wind to consider..but i know they use some sort buoy system to do it.suppose it would take some learning,but i dare say if put into action,some big fish are there to be had.notably conger im sure.
     
  3. Captainahab

    Captainahab New Member

    I'm convinced that if several boats in the fleet adopted this tactic, then it would only be a matter of time before a decent Conger Eel was hauled up. This is the only way to catch these monsters, as proven by many charter boats down south in the english channel and in the West country. Surely it would be worth a try one day?.
     
  4. Baramundi Bob

    Baramundi Bob Super Leeds United !!!

    I was aksing Paul about anchoring the other day and he mentioned conger fishing. He reckons hes had conger on whilst drifting but you cant get them out of the wreckage.
     
  5. Captainahab

    Captainahab New Member

    Theres a charter boat which runs out of Newhaven in Sussex skippered by Dave Elliott who specifically targets Conger on some trips with a catch and release policy. Some days his party pull up over 50 (some may be the same ones) up to 80lb, when at anchor. Reckon you'd return to port with your arms hanging out of their sockets!. Several months back in the west country some guy pulled up a 90lb plus monster at anchor. Obviously very heavy traces are needed with an initial amount of bullying required to get them out of their lair. Obviously these numbers are not abundant off whitby but every year we hear of guys who get a bite over wrecks yet are powerless to haul the monsters clear and lose their gear. I bet if a skipper announced he was doing a conger trip he would fill the boat.
     
  6. robq

    robq Rockling

    Fished a few times in the early 90s with Graham Grompton out of Brid ( cant remember the name of his boat ) He was a grumpy bugger though !!

    He was good at anchoring into a wreck :yes: You had to be in the back end of the boat to be in with a chance mind but we had some cracking ling :surprise:

    I am sure there would be a few surprises If afew more skippers gave it a try !! It is a ballache to get right though.

    Rob
     
  7. rupert

    rupert Blenny

    I've chartered Brian Joslin's boat for two conger trips. He runs out of Rye in East Sussex. He's had congers over 100lb aboard his boat, but my best with him was 66lb from a channel wreck 45 miles offshore.

    http://www.christyanncharters.co.uk/

    Brian aims to anchor the boat uptide of the wreck, so your conger baits end up fishing uptide of the wreck on the open ground. If you want to, you can put a lighter lead on and bounce your bait back into the wreck, or wait until the scent of the bait draws the eels out. On my last trip with him, my mate and I chartered the boat between us and we had about 15 eels out and fishing away from the wreck, we didn't lose any within the wreck itself. That day, the wind was a real pain and kept blowing us off mark - so to anchor successfully you need both favourable wind and tide conditions to coincide. I would imagine that the deeper the wreck, the harder it will be to anchor accurately as you are more susceptible to being blown off course with the longer anchor warp.
     
  8. ste ryder

    ste ryder New Member

    I have mention this before as there deffo conger in the north sea but all the 4 skippers and anglers seem be is blinded the prospect of cod and ling. I am sure there angler that would pay to go conger fishing i would .
     
  9. Dav

    Dav Rockling

    Yeah im no expert on boat fishing for conger , but i would of thought the best thing to do would be to anchor up tide of the wreck and let the tide take the scent into the wreck which should draw the congers out :educated:. That way your not fishing your bait directly into the wreck causing bust ups when a fish is hooked , Maybe they dont do it because lads who are paying for the boat for the day want to catch cod , maybe .
     
  10. Wildcard

    Wildcard Hartlepool Marina - Simply The Best

    We did this yesterday and picked a particularly big wreck in deep water. We got there just as the ebb was starting and decided to fix 2 Bruce anchors 60 degrees apart so that we would be stationary uptide of the wreck. By fixing the cables fore and aft we could fish down one side rather than all over the stern.

    One of the anchors didn't grab where we placed it, and moved 100ft or so and we ended up fishing down one side of it with the bait scent running parallel rather than directly into the wreck. This is how Foo caught his 15lb cod.

    It takes a lot of skill and manpower to perform and we needed the anchor cables to be over 1,000ft in length. :surprise:

    My mate shadrap put me onto the fact that halibut lay in the sand scours of wrecks off Whitby. I think it will be possible to use the above method to successfully anchor uptide on the flood tide and drop or bounce lures and baits into these scours. I am certain there are big conger around our coast that could be tempted out of these structures using static mackeral baits and bait droppers.

    Judging by yesterday it could easily take 2 hours to get the boat in the right position and would need 3 or 4 men. There's the problem :educated:

    Alan
     
  11. foo

    foo You've gotta be in it to win it.

    And it was perfect conditions yesterday and still took 4 experienced men to get us anywhere near position.Very very difficult and time consuming. job for a specialist mefinks
     
  12. Shadrap

    Shadrap Rockling

    Those scours where the wreck is predominantly on sand should have a number of species in there,I would think there's a good possibility of some big turbot lying in them,the knack will be positioning a boat to fish into them.As has been previously mentioned the conger fishing is really an unknown quantity and there could be a superb fishery just waiting to be discovered.I wonder will we see a rod caught,ton plus conger in the future from one of the wrecks off here.
     
  13. smokey

    smokey Rockling

    It is definitely possible :yes: The first man to commercialy fish the wrecks down here was a bloke called Dick Tankard.I think it was the very early 80's,he had a coastworker 18 that went like a bullet,the wrecks around Filey and Scarborough were pretty much virgin then.He sussed the Decca system as soon as it came out and would regular take 100 stone of cod in half a day,on rod and line and Hurdy Gurdy's,shoot back ashore nearly sinking and land,then straight back out again,3 men onboard fishing for the boat.I remember a fishing festival when i was about 10,he had boxes of ling which had held above his head,with the tail still on the ground,i can't remember the weights but they were huge fish.Alot of these big ling came at slack water when there was no tide,the cod would go off the feed so he would anchor up in the tight into the wreck,this is when the big ling came out to play,he had a canny nack of putting the boat spot on virtually every time.I have packed 4 nice congers in the last 6 months at work,from the potting boats out of scarborough,all from rough ground about 1.5 miles out from the brigg,smallest about 8lb biggest maybe 16lb,no monsters but if the little ones are there,the big uns must be there somewhere :wink: :yes: tight lines
     
  14. Wildcard

    Wildcard Hartlepool Marina - Simply The Best

    Mike worked out the exact locations of the anchors easily enough but it is getting them to bite without slipping that is the problem. I think we know how to do this now though.

    Would a group of anglers want to book the boat and sit while we took up their valuable fishing time getting the boat in position?
    Unless the conditions were good we might never achieve it, even though that would be the reason the charter was booked.
    The extra crew would add to the charter cost.

    If there is sufficient interest I will organise a party of 8 and give it a go. I would think the cost would be £60 or £70 per man. If interested pm me.

    Alan
     
  15. smokey

    smokey Rockling

    Alan,i'm sure the guy i mentioned above used to put a pellet over on a thin piece of tow with a sash weight on the end,he used to get it fast in the wreck which gave a great marker for anchoring up,put a trailer bouy on the pellet and in a split second you know where the tide is running.Would it be worth trying 2 of the big heavy duty 4 pronged anchors the potters use?? tight lines
     
  16. Wildcard

    Wildcard Hartlepool Marina - Simply The Best

    No need to smokey. Mike has extensive tidal knowledge and can work out exactly where the anchors need to be. One problem is when we set the 1st anchor and went to the location of the second anchor, the 1st one slipped. It could be done by buoying off the 1st one and retrieving it later, but then the second one might slip. :gum:

    Because we are using 2,000 ft of anchor cable it is the cheap polyprop rope which floats. It would be very easy to get a prop tangled and end up anchored by the stern. The alternative of buying the sinking multiplait cable at £600 wasn't really an alternative bearing in mind an anchor could slip into a wreck and become fast and the cable lost.

    Alan
     
  17. cobra

    cobra NIL TAURUS EXCRETUM

    A skipper called tony pockley at bridlington used to anchor on the wrecks years ago with some fantastic results catching well in excess of 70 stone plus some days. If my memory serves me right it was in the mid to late eighty's
     
  18. smokey

    smokey Rockling

    Have you thought about using leaded rope,take a look at the 12,14 and 16mm leaded.. tight lines

    http://www.gamriebay.co.uk/acatalog/Polyethylene.html
     
  19. Wildcard

    Wildcard Hartlepool Marina - Simply The Best

    Dont think it coils very well and with 1,000ft that is a problem. It is much easier to anchor inshore wrecks in shallow water as well but ours was over 210ft deep. There are some wrecks 70 miles off in only 100ft of water.

    Alan
     
  20. smokey

    smokey Rockling

    Strap some sash weights to your anchor then to keep it hard and fast,or pick a day when there is no wind at all and use 1 anchor.
     

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