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The Angling Trust And Anglersafloat Embraces Kayak Anglers

Discussion in 'Sea Fishing Forum - Shore, Boat & Kayak Fishing' started by carpyken, Nov 27, 2010.

  1. carpyken

    carpyken New Member

    This is an email thats doing the rounds at the moment on AA. I wont give my opinion just at this moment but i have issues with several parts of this......So does the Angling Trust represent You and will you be joining?

    The Angling Trust has been working very closely with the AnglersAfloat team to come up with a package of Angling Trust membership benefits for kayak anglers that will definitely float your boat.

    We are all anglers

    “I’ve spent time getting to know kayak angling and attending AnglersAfloat meets this year at Oxwich Bay and Ladram Bay. They have been some of the most passionate and constructive anglers I have come across. It is essential that as the representative body for all angling in England we represent and support the interests of all kayak anglers” David Mitchell, Angling Trust’s Marine Environmental Campaigns Manager.

    “The membership package has been the result of a lot of hard work by Angling Trust and AnglersAfloat and it offers the most comprehensive array of benefits for kayak anglers that we know of anywhere in the World” AnglersAfloat team member, Darnsarf.


    “Kayak angling represents all the best bits of angling; easily accessible, compatible with all types of angling, low impact on the environment and sociable – I’m planning to be on the water with mine in the spring” Mark Lloyd, Chief Executive, Angling Trust.


    Why join the Angling Trust?

    The Angling Trust offers benefits for all anglers. Whether you are sea, coarse or game angling kayaker, concerned about fish stocks, a competitive match angler or keen to get sustainable access to freshwater fishing, the Angling Trust will listen to you and strive to develop your sport. The Trust campaigns and takes legal action at a local and national level to protect anglers’ rights and the health of the water environment. The more anglers who join, the more it will be able to do.


    Cracking Kayaking Cover

    Make sure you have peace of mind – we are offering individual annual membership for £25 from January 1st 2011 which includes £5,000,000 public liability insurance specifically covering kayak angling and any mishaps while you are on the water which damage other people or their property. Now you can relax and enjoy your fishing!

    Accessing Angling

    Worried about access and restriction on angling? Our Conservation and Access group and representatives on the four regional marine conservation zone projects are working to ensure that sea angling is not restricted. We understand the unique concerns that kayak anglers have and your membership and involvement in the process will give us more weight when it comes to fighting for your rights on these issues. We have already facilitated bringing together AnglersAfloat and those involved in making the recommendations over MCZs when Roger Covey, Natural England’s marine specialist in the South West, proved himself a more than competent angler at Ladram Bay back in September! Roger is now aware of the limitations and special requirements your sport needs.

    Are you a coarse or game angler? Great news! We’ve negotiated an optional British Waterways package including the riverboat licence, giving you access to hundreds of miles of Britain’s canal network. As fishermen that’s not enough, it also includes the all important Waterways Wanderer permit giving you access to fishing along over 300 miles of canal network in England and Wales in areas which are not controlled by clubs. The package price is just £14; this represents a £46 saving over the normal price. This is an optional bolt on package to your standard Angling Trust membership. We appreciate that sea fishermen will not need this and so have included it as an optional extra.

    We will also be developing a greater level of understanding and agreement with bank anglers. This will allow for better appreciation of freshwater kayak angling, create opportunities for clubs and kayak anglers alike, helping to foster mutual appreciation and avoid any unnecessary misunderstandings.


    Kayak Fishing Courses are back!

    We are delighted to be restarting the universally popular and well respected kayak fishing safety courses at only £35 for Angling Trust members (£65 for non members). The courses will be run by kayak anglers trained and certified to level II angling coaches by the Angling Development Board. Once they are trained we will have a network of coaches across the country providing the only professionally certified kayak fishing course in the UK. The training to become a course leader will become open to all suitably experienced kayak fishermen and will also include the benefit of becoming a certified kayak angling guide. Both the Instructors course and Kayak Fishing Course will be developed over the winter ready for launch next summer.

    Representation

    When enough kayak anglers have joined the Angling Trust we will create a formal position on our marine committee for a representative from the kayak angling community. This way you can be sure that your interests are being represented at the highest level by one of your own. You’ll be able to nominate your representative after the first year. However, to show our commitment we will accept an AnglersAfloat Team member on a temporary basis while the kayak fishing membership builds to a level to allow elections. This level of representation will be unique to kayak angling within the Angling Trust and is due to the non-club structure of kayak angling.

    Competitions

    The Angling Trust already has a very active competitions section and once we have sufficient support we will be looking to develop sea and freshwater Angling Trust kayak angling competitions with the help of our kayak members. You can suggest ideas for meets and competitions to your kayak angling marine committee member. For instance, as the national governing body for angling in England there is the potential to stage the UK’s first home internationals kayak angling competition.


    Other Member benefits

    Individual AT membership gives you a whole host of other benefits including:

    · Newsletters
    · Entry to competitions
    · Email updates and press releases on the work we are doing
    · 20% off any purchases made through www.anglingdirect.co.uk and many more money saving deals which you can find here http://www.anglingtrust.net/page.asp?sec....Member+Benefits .
    · There will also be an Angling Trust members’ area on the AnglersAfloat forum.
    · AnglersAfloat will be working with the Angling Trust to create a format to allow the Trusts legal arm Fish Legal to act on behalf of Kayak Fishing over any future legal issues.

    How to Join

    Membership is still only £20 until January 1st 2011. Kayak Anglers can join online from Monday 29th of November at http://www.anglingtrust.net/page.asp?section=32§ionTitle=Join+Angling+Trust and save £5 over the 2011 membership rate.

    Important!

    · Make sure you tick the preferences to tell us that you are a kayak angler and whether you are sea, game or coarse angler or a combination
    · If you are already a member and would like to change your status to include Kayak Fishing please contact us via our website or call us on 0844 7700616 and we will update your membership

    We’ll be in touch and you’ll receive our latest newsletter. Look out for David Mitchell’s update and his picture which was taken when he joined the Anglers Afloat meet for a great day out at Ladram Bay in September.

    We look forward to you joining us.

    Thank you for your support,

    The Angling Trust Team.



    I hope you all agree this is very exciting news for kayak fishermen, not only giving us a voice amongst all branches of the sport, it will also hopefully bring us access to new stretches of water throughout the United Kingdom and protect those we already enjoy.

    Its fantastic to see that the Kayak Fishing Safety Courses will be returning in the near future, these have been sorely missed over the last 12 months.

    As mentioned an Anglers Trust Members Only area will be appearing on the forum, otherwise its business as usual, with all the usual banter.

    I would like to thank those members that have done so much hard work behind the scenes and to the Angling Trust for putting together such a great package.

    They deserve our support, thank you for yours.
     
  2. smokey

    smokey Rockling

    Re: The Angling Trust Embrace Kayak Anglers

    Dutch to me ken,but nice to see you back pal :wink: :happy:
     
  3. Bigrock

    Bigrock Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    Re: The Angling Trust Embrace Kayak Anglers

    I hope it is good news and they do what they say. I do worry that this is just an excuse to get data on how many people do this branch of the sport and another monitoring system.

    I might be being paranoid on this but I just dont trust bodies like this
     
  4. brian carragher

    brian carragher Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    Re: The Angling Trust Embrace Kayak Anglers

    They say

    "We will also be developing a greater level of understanding and agreement with bank anglers. This will allow for better appreciation of freshwater kayak angling, create opportunities for clubs and kayak anglers alike, helping to foster mutual appreciation and avoid any unnecessary misunderstandings"

    but they're active in the campaign to restrict canoe access to rivers so I guess this turnaround will be a bit of a shock to freshwater anglers and riparian owners


    Just a quick question

    Why Anglers Afloat has someone made them the representative body for yakkers
     
  5. robq

    robq Rockling

    Re: The Angling Trust Embrace Kayak Anglers

    sems like a bargain for the insurance cover and the british waterways licence :yes:

    Good to see you back ken :happy: :happy:
     
  6. carpyken

    carpyken New Member

    Re: The Angling Trust Embrace Kayak Anglers

    Ye I'm back guys, and sorry for letting a few of you down..but yes i'm back..

    Great to see the safety courses back, no sorry kayak fishing courses. These will be run by people trained and certified to level two standard by the Angling Development Board.... Sorry who???

    I presume (and God forbid, HOPE) this will be up to the same standard as BCU and UKCC level 2 coaching standards, after all, yes we are all anglers BUT yes aren't we all kayakers too??? I''m sorry but anything less and they will be selling us all way too short......

    I have no faith in the Angling Trust and yes Brian you ask a very good question.... Why Anglers Afloat, has someone made them the representative body for yakkers ???

    Ken
     
  7. brian carragher

    brian carragher Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    Re: The Angling Trust Embrace Kayak Anglers

    The Angling Development Board is the Angling Trust in another name , its the AT's subsiduary arm funded by the AT via the Sports Council grant(Sport England) so it looks like the AT is trying to corner the yakkers into submission
     
  8. Baramundi Bob

    Baramundi Bob Super Leeds United !!!

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    Bunch of ar$eholes Ken. I didnt even bother reading it as they have been spouting the same old tripe for as long as I can remember, this site will not be associating itself with them. Run by idiots for idiots. Ive lost count of how many times theyve tried to increase their membership by kissing peoples asses rather than dealing with the real issues of over fishing and discarding..

    Also if you want insurance, speak to Hairybeast and the northern federation (The only body who know anything about fishing in the north east).
     
  9. carpyken

    carpyken New Member

    Re: The Angling Trust Embrace Kayak Anglers

    Thank you Glenn, much what I was thinking, i would really like to know were they are getting their expertise to promote paddlers to level 2 coaches with having no association or access to the BCU or UKCC training schemes. Please do feel free to voice your opinion on AA too before I get slated :laugh:

    Ken
     
  10. ingoe1

    ingoe1 Rockling

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    You Yakkers should be glad for anyone who wants to embrace you,seems like a nice boy :laugh: good to see you back Ken
     
  11. Sambo

    Sambo To the MAX!

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    Great to see you back Ken, it's been to long bud :yes:

    I really don't want to be seeing this sort of thing, I love the freedom kayak fishing gives me. I don't want to feel I have to join a club/society/trust/license just so I can go fishing. Unless I'm missing something none of the 'benefits' are of any use to me and many others, can someone please tell me how any of this is of any use to us?

    I don't use the Anglers Afloat site much at all but can someone tell me why they are our representatives now?

    Good to know I can relax when kayak fishing now, I almost caused £5 million worth of damage the other week whilst yakking so it'll be nice to have cover :confused:

    Safety course @ £65! Think I'll stick with my £25 course with Ken thanks very much, least he knows what he is talking about!
     
  12. carpyken

    carpyken New Member

  13. Baramundi Bob

    Baramundi Bob Super Leeds United !!!

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    Cant be ar$sed with that either Ken. Obviously AA can do as they choose, but I aint got time for nonsense. Go fishing as and when you want, where you want, catch what you want, put it back, or keep it. No time for idiots Im afraid. I have enough on contributing here without going to AA to tell them what they likely dont want to hear.
     
  14. PNGWIN

    PNGWIN New Member

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    Glen, I am curios what is it that anglers afloat don't wont to hear?
     
  15. Benq23

    Benq23 Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

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    Ive never really got on too well with anglers afloat, they have a decent site which I have enjoyed reading but thier forum is far too elitist and closed for my liking.
    as for someone representing me in regards to my kayak angling...?
    what the hell for? I will fish from a kayak, whats to represent? people may pass laws, impose restrictions do what they want i will still fish from a kayak and I see no benefit whatsoever from having some "group" tell me how and where and how much
    thanks angling trust...but please remove your beak from our sport and insert it where the sun dosent shine


    Oh and welcome back ken, been a long time mate, hope your keeping well :)
     
  16. mattylamb

    mattylamb Rockling

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    totally agree with what Sam, Ben, Glenn and others have said. we dont need representing, we just want to fish. no thanks to bodies, associations etc, just let us get on with our kayak fishing.
     
  17. 01kayak

    01kayak Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

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    will they make insurance compulsary in the future :sick: or is it just for the people southof watford as the northern people are allways forgotten about and what will it give us for sea fishing only as that is all i do
     
  18. Baramundi Bob

    Baramundi Bob Super Leeds United !!!

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    They would like to. There was talk in the RSA strategy of making quite a few things compulsory, including lectures on hook sizes, insurance and Angling Trust membership. What a bunch of to$$ers they really are. What gets my back up with all this crap is noone ever mentions commercial overfishing and discards. Only person who ever came close to sorting the angling trust was Stuart Mac and they made it so difficult for him he had to resign.
     
  19. brian carragher

    brian carragher Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

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    If the AA are invited aboard the AT then I have a good guess who that individual would be

    Whats the odds on a C&R policy being formulated within the AT board or at the very least pushed at every opportunity
     
  20. newdave

    newdave Guest

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    All the benifits they are offering are already covered by the BCU including a very good deal on insurance. & in terms of training they have it all covered. Some of us have tried to build bridges between the SOT anglers & the established paddle sports. this seems devisive to me. As Glenn says currently its up to the individual how much formal training they embark on. personally I like to have all angles covered so joined the BCU to get access to there training resources & exspand my skills, to enhance my knowledge i also took a day skipper & VHF course. not sure i want training from someone who has only ever paddled a SOT or to be regulated by unelected representives. Like Ken I have been a bit absent from the forum recently, nothing personel, just been busy with other things & the fishing gear is covered in dust.
     

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