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Staithes, Port Mulgrave, Runswick, Kettleness and Sandsend Cliffs To Be Closed.

Discussion in 'Sea Fishing Forum - Shore, Boat & Kayak Fishing' started by Baramundi Bob, Feb 27, 2013.

  1. Woodsmanuk

    Woodsmanuk @woodsmanuk

    I'm with easy yaker on this, I spent most of last night reading policy documents and bylaw guidelines.

    The only thing I could find in writing was that runswick was down for bi-valve protection.
    So only thing that adversely affect them would be curtailed.

    They also say once the zone is made there is to be a public consultation about the limits of by-law intervention. Permits etc

    So I read it as we need to attend those meetings to point out the social and economic benefits angling and yaking are bringing to the area.

    If anyone has a URL that reads that our hobbies are to be stopped then please post them. My eyes have had enough of pdf's.
     
  2. carpyken

    carpyken New Member

    worth a read too..

    http://archive.defra.gov.uk/environment/marine/documents/protected/20121217-mcz-factsheet-decisionmaking.pdf
     
  3. dmc

    dmc Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    Its unbelevable,all the shore marks im learning are in there and also weve just purchased a small inshore fishing boat and to gain experience,weve decided to fish from sands ends to staithes and no further out than the hard ground 5 mile off until we become more proficient.It totaly p$$$$es you off..And what about the lively hood of the inshore lads and potters.it makes your blood boil.Every body could be indirectly affected,tackle shops,hotels and Whitby as a tourist destination.
     
  4. carpyken

    carpyken New Member

    And I can assure you the Runswick Kayak Angling Festival will be going ahead regardless :happy:

    You may be fishing under Boulby or out from Sandsend for plaice but somehow I doubt our best made plans will be put jeopardy that easily. I would get your names down and come and make the most of it though, who knows for 2014 :confused:
     
  5. mattylamb

    mattylamb Rockling

    that's the thing mate, they baffle you with all these pdf's and big words. your run of the mill sea angler hasn't got a chance of understanding whats going on till its too late
     
  6. fisherjohn2010

    fisherjohn2010 Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    If Defra are involved, the one thing that's certain is that they will make a balls-up of it! The consultative document seems to be designed to be as difficult to read as possible,- again, par for the course for Defra. The best course of action would seem to be to e-mail or write to make them aware that recreational angling does no harm whatever to fish stocks, and should be exempt from any regulations, and follow this up with a letter to your MP, saying how concerned we all are that such a stupid course of action could even be contemplated, and also add a bit about how much revenue sea angling generates for the local economy, and if enough of us do this, maybe they will actually take notice. SO LETS ALL DO IT!
     
  7. Easy Yakker

    Easy Yakker simply messing about in boats

    Matty, your right what you say about extraction and deposition activities, but you have missed out this bit:

    "Each broad-scale habitat type and FOCI should have at least one viable reference area within each of the four regional MCZ project areas where all extraction, deposition or human-derived disturbance is removed or prevented.’"

    So what it is saying (quite sensibly) is that a control zone is needed within each MCZ, so that the effectiveness or otherwise of the zones can be assessed. So you have three areas: i) an area with no controls at all (ie: outside the MCZ), ii) the MCZ itself with whatever protection is applied to that particular MCZ, and iii) within the MCZ a viable reference area, which is effectively a NTZ. So at the end of the three year period, you can examine and compare each zone and see if the policy has worked or not.

    All these documents are really hard going and clearly no effort has been put into making them easy to access by non-marine specialists!
     
  8. mattylamb

    mattylamb Rockling

    cheers for clearing that up Nigel.
     
  9. Woodsmanuk

    Woodsmanuk @woodsmanuk

    After some more reading. This time an 'impact assessment' from net gain/national england.

    http://publications.naturalengland.org.uk/file/2083517
    MCZs vs reference zones, and impact assessment

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    Runswick is not a "reference zone" it's a MCZ.

    This document says there is to be no alteration to current uses at current levels.

    Has anyone found a more pertinent document?
     
  10. Vulcan

    Vulcan Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    Omg Glenn, this sounds terrible. From my Experience of the fisheries committee and Defra as a commercial in Cornwall I would expect the worst. If you get the fisheries committee on your back they will never leave you alone. Is there anything can be done to stop these closures or is that it, game over !
     
  11. deece1981

    deece1981 Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    I may well be completely wrong on this but looking at the defra site and the map you have posted, only the areas in Red will be the 2013 tranche, areas marked in Purple are still only under further consideration.

    I am at work however so will have to have a real look at home
     
  12. Baramundi Bob

    Baramundi Bob Super Leeds United !!!

    Please dont confuse the issue here, Just to be very clear the whole area in purple is the area concerned. As already stated it runs from Sandsend Ness out for 5 mile and up as far as Staithes, it covers the whole area from the shore and out to 5 mile. Have no doubt about it that this is the area to be designated in 2013 as an MCZ along with 30 other areas in England and Wales, and includes Staithes, Port Mulgrave, Runswick Bay, Kettleness, Goldsborough and Sandsend.

    The only thing that is not settled is exactly what can and cant take place in there. Looking at other similar areas, as already mentioned by Ken, your not alloud to even look at a piece of seaweed in the Lundy zone and that was supposed to be to protect mainly lobsters. Another example of a place already in existance is the much talked about zone at Flamborough head Danes Dyke. again totally no fishing.

    I would start with a worst case scenario and work backwards. I think best you can expect is catch and release, at worst a total ban. I did have some connections who worked for NEIFCa on facebook but they completely disaapeared so we may need to talk to Dave Mccandless for some answers.

    One of my biggest concerns as always is who talks to NEIFCA, DEFRA, Net Gain, Natural England et al claiming to represent us all. In past this is usually The Angling trust, usually someone who lives in land, bought a kayak or went fishing a couple of times and has no insight into life on the coast and the culture of fishing communites like Whitby, someone like Phill Bloody Arnott for example.

    A couple of other things to think about. If this area is only to protect one type of shellfish, I would ask how many people ever saw that shellfish in the intertidal shoreline, did it ever exist there, if not, why is the shore line in the zone. Lets have the zone exactly where the shellfish lives and not drag in areas that dont need to be in there and would be a massive loss to us all.
     
  13. Baramundi Bob

    Baramundi Bob Super Leeds United !!!

    You nailed it Matty, Ive been involved in a few of these consultations. They are framed in such a way that the average person cant be engaged because they can not understand the literature. Therefore the very people who should be involved, ie the people who will be effected most, are out the equasion. This is done by design to stop those who may just object. How many anglers and commercial fishermen have a degree in Government bull$hit ??

    Im educated to degree level in science, I got 1st class results in statistics. I struggle to read and understand the consultation papers.
     
  14. Woodsmanuk

    Woodsmanuk @woodsmanuk

    Here's an uptodate map:

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  15. Baramundi Bob

    Baramundi Bob Super Leeds United !!!

    That looks a lot better map and a whole lot less worrying. Thankyou for that.
     
  16. bigcod

    bigcod Rockling

    Spoke to NSFC this afternoon they and maybe just maybe its going to just closed for trawling and dredgeing just an extension of what we more or less have now .

    paul.
     
  17. Baramundi Bob

    Baramundi Bob Super Leeds United !!!

    Do you mean NEIFCA Paul as NESFC went out of existance about 18 month ago. Ive been trying to get hold of John Malette on Facebook but he seems to have dissapeared. Who did you speak to and is there any chance on an official quote or press release from them ?
     
  18. malla_92

    malla_92 Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    All I am saying is good luck stoping the hardened rock anglers i won't be listening
     
  19. wec

    wec Nunc est biben dum

    all this bollocks has never been about protecting fish,its the damage done catching them,prove we cause no damage and we will be fine LOL :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
     
  20. Woodsmanuk

    Woodsmanuk @woodsmanuk

    It's not even about fish
     

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