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EU ARTICLE 47 - Sea Angling Under Attack again

Discussion in 'Sea Fishing Forum - Shore, Boat & Kayak Fishing' started by stuartmac, Dec 16, 2008.

  1. quint

    quint Watch out Emperor Zorg's about

    Re: WHY ?

    It needs one voice for us all - but I feel there's too many divisions within the angling fraternity - just look at the "gutted bass" thread - it doesn't take much for dis agreements and in fighting - a lot of our fishing, Rovers, are cultural to this area, most matches now are catch and release in other areas, it looks to me as the die is cast - however I will fight tooth and nail to defend our sport, but it needs a strong representative singing from the same hymnbook - a letter from me to my MP will do no good, we need a collective voice, is it the NFSA? although I've heard they are toothless
     
  2. CBass

    CBass New Member

    Re: WHY ?

    A letter from you will do no good. A letter from all of us will at least mean we are doing something.

    Wishing for a strong representative body is one thing but we don't have one, nor given the disparate voices is one likely to be forthcoming.

    The least we can do is all write a letter and say we find the current proposals unacceptable, we don't need a uniting voice to say that the idea is a rubbish one. If enough people shout, write and vote then maybe they will take notice. At the very least they can go back to the drawing board, then we can worry about a strong voice giving us a way forward.
     
  3. Ramsrod

    Ramsrod Rockling

    Re: WHY ?

    I,ve tried my hardest to read as many posts as I can stomach which involves rules, proposals, fishing representatives etc and I,m still dont fully understand who is who. If I have to, I will represent myself, even though I admit I am apathetic. I always feel that if I write something I'm just stating the bleeding obvious and that surely the people who I write to are much cleverer than me will already be aware of what I had said. I would say I,m thicker than the average, but even I know what the implications of such a legislation would be, surely they do too, or am I thicker than what I thought :confused:
     
  4. CBass

    CBass New Member

    Re: WHY ?

    The people who you write to are usually self serving and interested in their own back, at the end of the day though, they are not our leaders but our servants.

    They probably know the implications, the thing you need to ask is do they care?
     
  5. ducky

    ducky maybe one day...

    Re: WHY ?

    i have just singed the no 10 thing and wrote to all the mep. I do not understand the government all they do is lie and polertics just goes over my head. I have only ever felt this strongly about one other thing and that help for heroes. I hope we can all put our heads together and come up with something.
     
  6. Dav

    Dav Rockling

    Re: WHY ?

    Spot on there lads , i my self know what they are getting at but im gobildygooked when it come to all the shite involved in it all. and im probably abit thicker than you ray :laugh: :laugh:... but what am i to do ? .would me standing in a room at time i couldnt make it make any difference? do i have the wrong attitude or am i just being negative or am i right in thinking little old me wouldnt make a blind bit of difference , i supose it would if there was another million of me or would there ....
    Give me my coat back..... :cheesy:....
     
  7. CBass

    CBass New Member

    Re: WHY ?

    "If you think you are too small to make a difference, try sleeping with a mosquito."

    Maybe it is pointless, but it has to better than the alternative. All you need to do is write and say you oppose the legislation, don't worry about the ins and outs, that's their problem.
     
  8. stuartmac

    stuartmac New Member

    Re: Sea Angling Under Attack again

    Hi Cbass
    Try this for size as a circular letter:
    DRAFT LETTER

    Dear MEP

    Subject:- Monitoring of Recreational Fisheries Article 47

    You may or ,may not be aware of an EU Consultative document on the above subject, which raises the following proposals:-

    a, Recreational fisheries on a vessel in Community waters on a stock subject to a multiannual plan shall be subject to an authorisation for that vessel issued by the flag Member State.
    b, Catches in recreational fisheries on stocks subject to a multiannual plan shall be registered by the flag Member State.
    c, Catches of species subject to a multiannual plan by recreational fisheries shall be counted against the relevant quotas of the flag Member State. The Member States concerned shall establish a share from such quotas to be used exclusively for the purpose of recreational fisheries.
    d, The marketing of catches from a recreational fishery shall be prohibited except for philanthropic purposes.
    First of all a, in essence means that all charter boats and pleasure angling boats and kayaks would have to be licensed. There is a clearly defined charter boat fleet around the UK coast what is less visible is the thousands of private angling boats which includes the greatest growth area in sea angling kayak fishing and we hesitate to even estimate their numbers. The majority of the private angling boats are produced in the UK and any suppression of their use, which a licence would create, has serious economic consequences on top of the current economic problems we are all suffering.
    Next b, this means that ALL recreational fisheries shall record their catches. This means that the 2 million anglers will have to keep a record book and submit returns to some Agency. In effect extending the legislation to the million plus anglers who regularly fish from the shore.
    Next c, This means that the recreational sector will be given a portion of the commercial sector quota. We don’t have to repeat here that the current quota is already subject of great concern to the commercial sector. So if implemented their quota is going to be reduced. But what is more important to the recreational sector is that when the quota has been reached no fishing whether it be commercial or recreational will be permitted. In recent years the cod quota, to take only one species has expired half way and sometimes less through the quota year. This means that all the coastal towns will lose the revenue from the many sea anglers who travel to holiday, participate in competitions, some of which are international, and the great majority who participate for pleasure.
    Finally d, whilst this is less significant as recreational anglers in the UK are not prone to sell their catch although some philanthropic purposes such as selling to support charities such as the air ambulances, life boat service etc do occur.
    Taken collectively the first three areas have serious implications for the economy and livelihood of many, in addition to the anglers who rely on recreational sea angling as a source of income. The charter fleet crews, the tackle dealers and manufacturers/importers, chandlers, boat builders, hoteliers and the shops and cafes in every coastal town will suffer. The commercial fishermen will be allowed to catch less and the viability of continuing will be a serious question. The recreational anglers will have bureaucracy and licensing costs imposed on their pleasure activity. The prestige of hosting international competitions could be lost and the ability of the elite in the sector would be deprived of participating at any level.
    Finally why is this necessary? How can it be enforced when currently the policing of the regulated fleet is less than effective. Have the legislatures any conception of the size and extent of the population that is going to be effected either directly or indirectly by these proposals?
    We therefore seek your support in countering these proposals, which several other EU Countries including Ireland, Greece, Malta and Italy are opposed to.

    Yours a concerned UK voter.
     
  9. Dav

    Dav Rockling

    Re: WHY ?


    Very well put.... :laugh: :laugh:
     
  10. CBass

    CBass New Member

    Re: WHY ?

    Nish to do with me matey, it was this fella, rather apt as we are talking about people cleverer than us...
    :yes:


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  11. ducky

    ducky maybe one day...

    Re: Sea Angling Under Attack again

    thats fantastic and vry well put. i have wrote to the mep saying that fishing has helped me through depression faster and cheaper for the NHS.
     
  12. GJW

    GJW Rockling

    Re: WHY ?

    I have also added to the petition..

    I suppose the politicians have looked at the outcome and effects these implications will have on the coastal communities and the impact it will have on businesses related to sea angling surely they must of weighed all this up after all they are educated and professional people aren't they.. :suspious:
    So why is it i can i see nothing but negatives coming from it, with drastic outcomes for coastal communities and businesses who rely on sea angling as a major part of there income, maybe its just me and i am not bright enough to see the positives....But i wish someone could show me them.

    The only person to go into the Houses of Parliament with true intension's was Guy Fawkes..
     
  13. Lobbers

    Lobbers phwwore i love gwen stefani me like

    Re: WHY ?

    slightly down the ladder after dav then quint,

    i've said it before and i'll say it again..

    i would like to meet the person who asks me what i have in my bag at the top of goldsbrough at 3.30am, because he is some special type of inspector
     
  14. Ramsrod

    Ramsrod Rockling

    Re: WHY ?

    BB will be tearing his hair out :whistle: when he reads some of our posts :scared: Rightly or wrongly I always feel it,s better left in the hands of people who are more adept than me on the subject. It stinks of apathy I,m embarassed to say but I tend to sit back and let the big guns do the talking first, as I,ve found out in the past this usually does the trick when a ludicrous legislation is forwarded. On the down side ludicrous legislation seems to be very attractive in europe.
     
  15. Lobbers

    Lobbers phwwore i love gwen stefani me like

    Re: WHY ?

    he will be taring his hair out at my post,, but i stand strong F~@k EM
     
  16. Jem

    Jem Blenny

    Re: WHY ?

    Doesn't the EU have better things to do rather than to feck it up for everyone, isn't it enough that they educated everyone in how their human rights work which screwed our justice system for good, i pay for a rod license for my coarse fishing but i do see some sort of benefit, granted the sea license was tossed out, but why should we as shore anglers pay for what the commercial lads have caused, they have over fished the stocks for yrs and thrown under size fish back ,which 9/10 don't survive,caught by using small mesh nets and indiscriminate trawling and now they cry when their quota is up and the EU want us to go in that quota well i for one wont stop my fishing, like Paul as stated who's gonna stand around on cliff tops in the early hrs checking anglers bags,


    for me we should say f@@k them all and leave the EU and go our own way, this little island is filling up yr by yr with everyman and his dog making their way to easy life blighty and free handouts, but that's another issue
     
  17. Dav

    Dav Rockling

    Re: WHY ?

    I think the main concern is it would effect match angling big time especially and maybe only the rovers as these type of matches would be impossible to catch n release.....
    I reckon if it does become law we should all just go underground having weigh ins in allyways n stuff..... :laugh:
     
  18. Baramundi Bob

    Baramundi Bob Super Leeds United !!!

    Re: WHY ?

    I haven't got any hair and what really needs to drop for a lot of you is these people aren't as clever as you believe them to be. You all sea fish, you all bait dig, you all go on charter trips, you all go rock fishing, you all go kayaking. Your the anglers, your the specialists You guys are the experts in the sea angling world - not some suited joker in an office in London or Brussels. Not one of them nuggets in parliament know anything about us other than what they have read on a bit of paper or what has come from Leon Roskilly's power point presentations round at Nobel house.

    An individual unique response from each of you to your mp and mep will rattle their cages. Tell them what effect not going fishing will have on your life and those around you. What effect it will have on your culture, local community and angling related businesses. Make the replies unique and ask for an answer. If you dont get a reply then write again and ask why. If enough people rattle their cages they start to feel pressure and wonder about the effect it might have at the next election.

    Do nothing and they will think its a small issue that does not need their attention. It will go through and you will be filling in catch reports for the government and banned from fishing when the commercials have had their yearly take. Whilst ironically the commercials will still be fishing in the dead of night and selling the fillets onto the black market and laughing all the way to the bank.
     
  19. Baramundi Bob

    Baramundi Bob Super Leeds United !!!

    Re: Sea Angling Under Attack again

    I would still advise you to write a unique letter if you can. Not sure what Stuarts thoughts are but its likely that 100 copies of that letter will only be treated as one letter.

    Be unique if you can but if not and you aint got the time just copy and paste that one.
     
  20. Sambo

    Sambo To the MAX!

    Re: WHY ?

    Obviously this is a real big concern for the charter boats and for any sea fishing related business, I imagine the consequences will be very far reaching if this comes into affect. There is a chance the opinions of joe blogs may not have any effect but we'll have even less affect if we do nothing.
    It is frustrating though that we would not be able to fish for Cod whilst the commercials are dumping god knows how many cod which no doubt would easily cover what shore anglers take all season.
    If this comes into play then it wouldn't surprised me if they brought the sea fishing licence in to pay for all the inspectors they will have dotted about :angry: then we are proper screwed over.
    Now I don't fully understand exactly what is happening here but I can only guess at the huge problems it will cause for coastal communities plus national sea fishing related businesses.
     

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