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cod fishing for a novice

Discussion in 'Sea Fishing Forum - Shore, Boat & Kayak Fishing' started by dancompton, Nov 10, 2014.

  1. dancompton

    dancompton Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    Hello all I am new on here and just wanted to introduce myself. I by no means am an experienced cod angler I have been fishing along saltburn beach/pier for a few years now with the odd trip to Whitby catching good heads of whiting and coalfish in the winter months but never had the confidence to really venture along the cliffs as I would be lost and iv heard it's not a very good idea to do so alone. I am very keen to learn and need pointing in the right direction with any tips and advice anyone is willing to part with. Any information would be very much appreciated. Thanks all. Dan.
     
  2. stickman

    stickman There's a difference between fishing and catching!

    Hi Dan - I'm not the one to talk to really but if you look at the section on fishing marks http://www.whitbyseaanglers.co.uk/category/fishing-marks/
    there are plenty of ideas there to get you started. You certainly don't want to be going onto the cliffs without someone to guide you to start with.

    Hopefully, some kind soul on here will take you "under the wing" and show you a few of the more well-known spots. I can catch cod from a boat but struggle to land anything decent from the shore - primarily because I live inland and can't get to the coast when the conditions are right ;)
     
  3. nunthorpe mag

    nunthorpe mag Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    Dan I used to fish Sandsend cliffs 30+ years ago best go with someone who knows the marks can be a bit dangerous up there in the dark :eek:
    I'm to old for all that climbing now and stick to the car park, Upgang and west pier now
     
  4. limpet

    limpet Blenny

    http://www.whitbyseaanglers.co.uk/so-you-want-to-be-a-successful-winter-cod-angler
     
  5. lipslicker

    lipslicker Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    Hi there,
    Prepare for a steep learning curve, but you will enjoy it. Very addictive.
    Will seem double Dutch at first, though threads will start coming together, and then it is the snowball effect.
    I am a long way from being an expert, like miles off, but I know how you might feel a bit daunted by it all, so a few things to get you started. Hopefully others will fine tune for you, but good to have a basis.

    - first mistake - don't ask a general "where is a good mark?" question. Only because it doesn't work like that. It is not like bassing, or hitting flatties. Cod are a law unto themselves.
    When you are kitted and baited out, ask where to give a try THAT night. Every night and tide is different, and marks fish in different conditions. Even marks within marks!

    - as a rule of thumb, think nights, high or low tides, and marks that are 90* to swell, or thereabouts.
    Look for gulleys, holes, etc. at low tides, and cast into them.

    - study 'Windguru', tide times, Google Earth (a wonderful tool).
    I am not out tomorrow or next night, as away from coast for a week, but if I were -
    Tomorrow night - high early evening. Windguru shows SE swells of 1.5-1.8m. I would go Cloughton or Sealife Centre Scarborough.
    Now, that does not mean I would catch necessarily, but I figure those are two spots I might. (Others might correct/disagree. If they do, take note and learn/think. They might be right. Or wrong)
    Next night shows similar but with waves more Easterly. I would head Cornelian Bay. Might give Jacksons a go.

    - some marks only need a cast of 40 yards, some nearer 200. If you cannot cast latter, stear clear of those marks till you can. Some never can, and do very well, so don't stress too much on that on our coast line.

    - baits are very important. On rocks, my easy top three are cart, mussel and black lug. Peelers are expensive or a job in themselves to collect, store and catch them at right time, but are obviously top bait.
    Change every 15-30 mins without fail. Bait washed out or chewed off by crab is not going to catch anything.

    - tackle - run us through your tackle. We will correct/advise.
    Basics are heavier lines, 'rotten bottom' set up, hook lengths 40-80lbs, and long shanked 5/0-6/0.
    Most fish pulley.
    Rods are usually heavyweights, capable of pulling fish through kelp or up rocks/cliffs.
    Reels are Abu 7000+, Avet's, Saltists, Slosh, or FS Penn battle, Shimano Ultegra 10000/14000

    - gear - dress warm!!
    And water proof.
    Headlamp and spare. Phone. Tell someone where you are vaguely heading, and when vaguely you will be back.
    Make sure your boots are studded. I use Supatrack screw ins, others will tell you different.

    And, where would you like to fish ideally? Round Scarborough or Whitby, or?
    Try and pick a 6 mile, say, stretch of coastline to learn. Running all over the place, chasing fish caught the night or week before will just drive you mental.

    Try and ask specific questions to learn.
    We have all been there, and many are happy to help.
    Good luck,
    Ben
     
  6. dancompton

    dancompton Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    Thanks for all the replies and thanks for the detailed explanation lipslicker. I do intend on learning a lot from this and what you have said has greatly helped me already. I'm now thinking my gear maybe too light for the rocky marks I have Abu 6500 reels and diawa sandstorm rods which are probably geared to more lighter beach fishing so some investment may be needed there. Yeah i don't expect someone to tell me fish here with this bait and you will catch I want to be able to read the sea correctly and be able to know when and where to fish according to condition. I will have a good look on the sites you listed there and try to understand the tides and winds. Thank you so much for taking the time to explain the basis of what to do to begin with.
     
  7. goaty

    goaty Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    Hi if your thinking of fishing on the cliffs at Sandsend its a good idea to go first for a look about in daylight at low water with a camera. You will see all the likely fishing spots from the footpath and if you walk over to them you will notice bits of crab or mussel shells from where other anglers have been fishing.
    When you've found a spot that looks ok for you (for your memory), take a couple of pictures of the seabed infront of the mark and look out for any holes / gullies or rough looking patches which is where you want to be aiming to cast into.

    Maybe for your first go up there it might help you to start fishing in daylight and into the evening to settle you down abit. Also at first try and go when the weathers not too fierce so your stuffs not getting blown all over and you can be more comfortable when you have to go near to the edge.

    And put some strong line on your reel and on your hooklengths, it might just be your night!!

    Yeah and have fun and stay safe, you'll really enjoy it! The cliffs are so popular that more than likely some other angler/s will turn up and fish next to you anyway.

    Cheers,
    Julian
     
  8. SAGE

    SAGE always trying...... some say very trying !!!!!

    what a cracking reply you got there from Ben... loads of useful info there for you to start thinking about.. also Dan on here there is a really useful search facility which if you put key words (tags) such as runswick, etc all sorts of posts will come up where info can be gleaned...
    good luck Dan and welcome to the forum
    Paul
     
  9. bigsi

    bigsi Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    Welcome to the site dan,some great ppl on here,very helpfull :)
    Great post from ben there ;),sounds like your rods n reels need to be upgraded,nothing wrong with the 6500's just that they are for clean sand/ground use.You need to be looking at sloshe's,535's fathoms etc,these reels offer a bigger line capacity(heavier lines)n are more rugged/stronger built.
    All the best with it fellah n good luck with the cod ;)
     
  10. dancompton

    dancompton Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    Can I just day thanks for all the support I didn't expect so many replies...after much consideration I think the first step I need to take is to upgrade my gear to something a bit more sturdy iv had some good advice on tackle here what kind of rod would be a good rod for a first thought and reels I know I need something along the Abu 7000+ range any tackle advice would be greatly appreciated thanks. Dan
     
  11. E.F.C. FOREVER

    E.F.C. FOREVER Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    If you are lookin into upgrading your gear either fixed spool with braid (I'm gunna invest tomorrow) or if you are like me and multiplier based ......invest in a saltist 3o .... ;-)


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  12. lipslicker

    lipslicker Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    Hi Dan,
    Don't know your budget, but if you can make an offer on the Century Kompressor S on the classifieds board?
    Cracking rod.
    Enough for rocks, but a bend in the butt that will allow a beginner to cast it.
    And, you can grow with it as your casting develops.
    I have had 195 yards with 5oz, and 225 yards with 4oz, on Mk. 1 version, so this will be a rod for life.
    You will be able to sell it in ten years time for not much less than you bought it for.

    If I could give you one other bit of advice, a good rod is a sound investment. Divided by hours used, minus resale price and you are looking at pennies.

    Be careful of recent Abu's. Bit weak in gear dept..
    Buy a second hand, made in Sweden 7000/8000 WITHOUT level-wind.
    Or Saltist, or.....
    Ask reel repair specialists if they have one to sell. @deano72?

    Or, as EFC suggests, Shimano Ultegra/braid combo.?
     
  13. New2014

    New2014 Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    Excellent question, Dan.

    An excellent answer, lipslicker.

    This will certainly help al novices, and some long standing fishers as well.

    Thankyou both.
     
  14. mad mick

    mad mick Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    welcome to the mad side of fishing. hope you stay safe and do well of catching fish. catch afew for me mate.

    good luck

    mick
     
  15. Ricard00

    Ricard00 Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    I've found the replies from you knowledgeable guys really useful, I've been reading the forum for a while, got myself some gear (Shimano Forcemaster 14" rod and Shimano Speedcast 8000) and some simple rigs, frozen squid and mussel and I'm ready to go. Hoping to get out somewhere tonight or tomorrow depending how knackered I am!

    Thanks Dan for asking some great questions for us novices and to the guys with their detailed & helpful replies.
     

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