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Coastguard Cuts, Selling Off Air Sea Rescue And Reduced Funding.

Discussion in 'Sea Fishing Forum - Shore, Boat & Kayak Fishing' started by bigcod, Dec 20, 2010.

  1. Baramundi Bob

    Baramundi Bob Super Leeds United !!!

    Unfortunately you wont get any dirt with regards to Mr Goodwills expenses. Theyve been well examined and he claims far less than most.
  2. bigcod

    bigcod Rockling

    How about his own expenses claim? Last years expenses claim weighed in at £151,239.

    My god 153,239 now that is a substantial amount of money with his salary the tax payer contributed over £200,000 to this man and tax free g+ts in in the commons bar.

  3. bigcod

    bigcod Rockling

    Glen that doesnt matter he is still a member of parliament for this area and is receiving an extremly large amount of tax payers money and should be saying no what is he doing for it Blart all.

  4. Baramundi Bob

    Baramundi Bob Super Leeds United !!!

  5. bigcod

    bigcod Rockling

    Interst chap glen who at times as lowered himself as to calling his constituants some nasty names i spoke to the evening news they want a letter i think they smell blood here with mr goodwill it seems he is getting off very lightly.

  6. Baramundi Bob

    Baramundi Bob Super Leeds United !!!

    Conflict makes for good news. The evening news will want to create conflict between you and him and then they will publish it.
  7. filey bouy

    filey bouy www.fileylifeboat.co.uk

    Think BOB SHOTTER is dyslexic and gets his O's and I's confused :laugh: :laugh:
    Cant wait to see this modern technology he keeps waffling on about. :suspious:
  8. SandTiger

    SandTiger Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    I hear it's being rolled out to run on a couple of old Sinclair ZX Spectrums. Cuts an' all that :whistle:
  9. Bob Shotter

    Bob Shotter Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    Re: Whitby MP Backs Coastguard Cuts

    All the good lady has said is that she was not aware of what the Falmouth station work consisted of Once she knows the work can be done, probably more efficantly at a new purpose built control centre I don’t think you will find her opposing the bill.

    Meanwhile this sticks in my mind

    All stations, all stations, all stations This is Falmouth Coast Guard Please be advised that from 0600hrs we will be taking industrial action We thank you for your support.

    I will never forget that one.
  10. SandTiger

    SandTiger Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

    Re: Whitby MP Backs Coastguard Cuts

    Stop lying Bob, she's clearly more aware of the implications than you are...

    Truro and Falmouth MP Sarah Newton, who initially backed the move, said she was shocked by the discovery and will now fight to keep the station full-time.

    The Department for Transport (DfT) said the proposals were subject to a 14-week consultation period.

    "During that consultation we will listen to everyone's views before any final decisions are made," a DfT spokesman told BBC News.

    Last week when it was announced that 18 Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) stations across the UK would be cut to three major maritime operations centres, in Aberdeen, Dover and Solent, Ms Newton said reform of the service was "long overdue".
    Continue reading the main story

    But she has now vowed to campaign for Falmouth to keep its "crucial" role in international rescues after discovering no-one from the MCA visited the station before the proposals were announced.

    "I found out that the team in the coastguards themselves who came up with these schemes for the modernisation proposals hadn't actually visited Falmouth," she told BBC News.

    "As a result, in the consultation document there are whole gaps about the modernisation of the service because it doesn't take into consideration everything Falmouth does.

    "It is very disappointing."


    As already pointed out to you on WSF the industrial action taken by Falmouth did not stretch to emergency cover operations. Cheap shot, even by you standards.
  11. bigcod

    bigcod Rockling

  12. bigcod

    bigcod Rockling

    Both the local rags whitby and scarborough papers are running an articel on the coastguard cuts they smell blood and are in agreement about our own mp takeing the wrong stance on the issue and think its wrong on area of coastline like we have here in yorkshire he should be fighting tooth and nail to save them i think he is going to feel a little bit uncomfortuble.
  13. foo

    foo You've gotta be in it to win it.

    And rightly so Bigcod
  14. FireFly

    FireFly Blenny

    This seems to be fortotten...Just checked the website and only up to 5527 sigs to date.
    Shame, as it will effect so many over a period of time.

    Once it goes centralised one hand won't know what the other hand is doing.
    You can see the excuses coming out already for any mistakes made, of which there will many!
  15. Baramundi Bob

    Baramundi Bob Super Leeds United !!!

  16. FireFly

    FireFly Blenny

    Thank goodness there are sites like this and skippers like Paul who stand up to be counted.
    To quote Goodwill, it might have already been mentioned in this thread, “Every time the Government announce savings the critics say we can’t make these cuts but never volunteer alternative areas where we could.”

    Well here's one way, instead of these MP's creaming it off with their expenses, why not have a hostel (of good quality) purpose built and owned by the goverment (in other words us!), and then when they have to stay over night or all. part of a week, we the tax payer doesn't have to shell out our hard earned money on them claiming for non existing properties, or two properties when both husband and wife are both MP's, for cleaning of moats and fixing bloody light bulbs etc etc!
    Another way Stop pampering to the banks & ankers who run them, giving them our money so they can live the life of Riley once retired due to being sacked for doing a rubbish job!

    This does make my p**s boil.
    It has probably all been said already in this thread but by christ!!!!
    They don't give a hoot about anyone but themselves, some gravy train they are on!
    Rant over!..........for now

    This guy needs kicking into touch at the next available opportunity.
  17. Baramundi Bob

    Baramundi Bob Super Leeds United !!!

    Goodwill defends his position


    In response, Robert Goodwill told the Whitby Gazette criticism levelled at him was a “knee jerk reaction” and his constituents should read the full consultation document. Mr Goodwill added – “Anyone who goes out to sea – fishermen, recreational crafts, chartered boats – have a look at the consultation and see what they don’t agree with.”
  18. harrythecod

    harrythecod Rockling

    You obviously have not been educated in the way of the world big rock , if you do not know what these people do :educated:
  19. carpyken

    carpyken New Member

    This needs bumping, an interesting post here from a sea kayaking forum.......

    by SY Coastguard

    Dear All

    I am part of the Save Stornoway Coastguard Campaign Team (and a union member, to differentiate from non union Station members), and these are our consolidated views on the proposal. It should be noted that it is essential that you respond to the consultation document if you wish to influence this issue. Please pass to your friends etc.

    It is important to state that at no point will this influence the number of rescue units (Helicopter, Coastguard Rescue Teams, RNLI Lifeboats etc), this is about a huge reduction in the number of rescue co-ordination centres.

    For more information please visit our website: www.stornowaycg.co.uk and our facebook page 'save stornoway coastguard'
    The consultation document can be found on the MCA website: www.mcga.gov.uk

    The agency (MCA) proposes to re-shape the operations room function of HM Coastguard in an exercise commencing FY 2011 / 2012 which will see the current structure of eighteen 24 hour Maritime Rescue Co-ordination Centres (and one at London which is unaffected by this proposal) slashed to two Maritime Operations Centres with one in the Southampton area and one in Aberdeen. This network will be supported (in a role that the agency’s proposal does not make clear) by 6 Sub Centres operating in daylight hours only which will carry a staff of half the current level. These Sub Centres are to be located in Falmouth, Swansea, Humber, Dover (24 hour due to CNIS function) and either Belfast or Liverpool and either Stornoway or Shetland.

    We believe this proposal is flawed in many cases, but to yourselves these are possibly (depending on how you interpret the document) the most pertinent:

    1. Local knowledge - At present operators in an MRCC have a detailed knowledge of the people and key features of their district (including local place names). This enables the Coastguard Officer who is taking an emergency call to know where the caller is referring to without calling upon third parties or computer based systems such as google earth. This saves time – and when people are in the greatest distress (such as people in the water) this can mean the difference between life and death. Having taken the information, the person in charge of co-ordinating the search and rescue operation will know almost instantly which is the nearest and most appropriate rescue unit, whether that be a helicopter, lifeboat, coastguard team, or a combination of all three. The lack of local knowledge in the proposal will, be replaced by on call ‘coastal safety officers’ and enhanced use of computer based technology (assuming such exists that can deal with colloquial place names, gaelic / welsh / irish spelling etc). The delay between the emergency call being taken and the correct unit being despatched will be entirely reliant on an operator (who will have little or no knowledge of the area) finding the correct location. Add to this language difficulties, accents, Gaelic place names, communications difficulties caused by handling of unfamiliar aerials and the possible delay in actually getting hold of the ‘expert local knowledge’ (one of a pool of six in an area – not necessarily in the incident location). It is not, despite MCA assurances instant, there are times when we will spend up to 10 minutes trying to get Coastguard Teams due to the nature of our district, it does not bear thinking of that this delay could occur (if this proposal goes ahead) before the correct unit is identified and despatched.

    2. Geographical choice of stations – should we at Stornoway be closed then it would leave no Scottish station on the West Coast with either Belfast or Liverpool the nearest to Shetland. This is one of the most challenging areas of the UK to navigate and is comprised of many islands, sea lochs, shoals and headlands with a diverse and growing maritime and coastal user base such as commercial traffic, leisure yachts, kayaks, divers walkers, climbers – the list could go on.

    3. Over reliance on technology – It is incredible that at a time when a plan to merge fire control centres in England and Wales from 46 to 9 is scrapped due to technical reasons that the MCA is proposing much more dramatic closures based on questionable technical claims. Fire and Rescue control rooms are only required to operate one communication system with their units, yet the mix of communications system needed to maintain a decent civil maritime Search and Rescue role are myriad – VHF, MF, Satellite, Mobile Phone, Various Pager systems with nearly all mediums remotely connected via BT lines to an MRCC then we also require use of e-mail, fax, telex etc. Stornoway have been unable to operationally pair with Shetland since the communications refit 10 years ago due to technical difficulties, yet overnight the MCA claim that Aberdeen can run operations from the East coast over the entire West coast of Scotland and possibly depending on choice of Liverpool or Belfast into Northern England! In the case of these links failing – how will civil search and rescue be maintained if there is no station in the Islands? This is a fundamental question that must be answered, as we frequently lose links with the mainland – under the current system this means loss of a few aerials, under the proposed system the entire island would be cut off. It is true that CRO’s would man the aerials in this case , but again it will take considerable time to do this and these CRO’s would need to be contacted by the CSO’s as the MOC will be too far removed to contact individual team leaders.

    4. There is mention of enhancing the Coastguard Rescue Service, which on the face of it would be a welcome improvement but there is also a worrying reference made to local control of land SAR incidents by this side of the service, this is all well and good onif the on call officer can assume the role of tactical on scene commander, how will this work in the Scottish Islands / West Coast mainland outside ferry / air times, and what quality of co-ordination will be delivered by Coastguard Team leaders (volunteers, not full time officers) who should be co-ordinating their teams action not all aspects of land Search operation?
  20. bigcod

    bigcod Rockling

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