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Anarchy in London, shoot the shits

Discussion in 'Non Fishing Chat' started by harrythecod, Aug 7, 2011.

  1. harrythecod

    harrythecod Rockling

    Re: Anarchy in London, shoot the doggy do dos




    they are treated as gods by there so called fans as well,
    and there adoring public who praise them,need to look at themselves as well,

    they need a reality check and get back in the real world and stop living in the fantasy land
    of stupid inane soap opera sh!te that they crave for :angry:
     
  2. Ian Alexander

    Ian Alexander Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

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    I've just heard on sky sports that Tottenham have signed a new Italian striker........"Grabatelli"

    :embarrass:
     
  3. mattylamb

    mattylamb Rockling

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    :laugh: thats a good one Ian, I'll loot that one
     
  4. Supersonic

    Supersonic Whitby Bass Club

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    It's pathetic! To make it worse, you've got the likes of the Guardian and their liberal lefty readers blaming it on everything they can think of and even sympathising with the rioters! What a joke!

    They've got absolutely no excuse. It's the simple minded ignorance of these idiots, and a lack of respect for themselves and others that is causing this. Being from a poor area, and 'standing up to the rich' is bollocks, they just want to cause trouble. They also know that if they caught, they get a slap on the wrist or a jail cell complete with PS3 and hot meals.

    Parents who are happy to sit at home claiming benefits because they simply don't have the motivation to go to work is breeding this culture of 'I don't need to work for anything' amongst the youth of our society and it's disgraceful.
     
  5. Davo

    Davo Rockling

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    Spot on supersonic. Get the Army on the streets to sort them out and leave the rubber bullets back at base.
     
  6. Captainahab

    Captainahab New Member

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    Sky have shown a photo taken tonight from Eltham in S.E. London of around 70-80 Millwall and Charlton fans who have united together at The Rising Sun pub, to protect the high street from an allegedly arranged shop looting.
    Love em or loathe them, respect to those guys (most of them probably love a good tear up anyway) for coming out to protect their local patch from the feral scroats who seem so intent on thieving, arson and destruction.
     
  7. moggie

    moggie Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

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    some goods news the sale of balaclavas and scarfs have gone through the roof
    hundreds of jobs saved
     
  8. bucko

    bucko New Member

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    As much as I think its mindless seeing the likes of 'The Money Shop' (payday loan parasites) and Ladbrokes getting smashed up makes me think even the most idiotic types realise they are legalised leeches.

    As for calling in the army- we don't shoot kids in this country (thank god), the soldiers have enough on their plates without having to deal with this shite and I wouldn't want to give this government any excuse to declare martial law or enforce a police state.

    In relation to the footy fans defending their turf- it rings of tribalism. Dangerous times.
     
  9. bucko

    bucko New Member

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    Southall Sikh's and Turkish shop owners of Dalston standing up for their homes and properties too!
    Good on them- not giving the BNP and the likes any (meaningful) ammo from all this.
     
  10. harrythecod

    harrythecod Rockling

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    it mat ring of tribalism, but so doe's the looting , by gangs coming together to raid and loot property
    i know what i would prefer :sad:
     
  11. bucko

    bucko New Member

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    I sew where you are coming from Harry- but I would rather have neither! Hate fuels hate.

    Anyway, despite the seriousness of it all I couldn't help thinking that they should have let them loot Ikea...

    They'd have to follow those fricking arrrows round for 7 hours, get stuck in the Marketplace wondering if they really needed 12 tea towels for £2, get a hot dog for 10p on the way out and the old bill would be waiting outside to lock them up.
    Job done!
     
  12. harrythecod

    harrythecod Rockling

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    More politicians saying the obvious , more police standing by watching ,
    more looters running the streets,

    why do they (the police and politicians) not listen to the majority of the ordinary man and woman , and get the water conon ,and rubber bullets out and give the basta**ds a good hiding ,

    that is what most honest people want , it is ok for the politicans saying we will be robust and strong ,
    let us all see the actions ,

    at 4 pm today i saw on tv thugs building barracades , and police watching them,
    why did they not bull doze them immediatly ,

    efing tossers the police are , yes they can catch some one speeding with sneaky cameras ,
    but ask them to catch a looter burgaler , mugger , or anarchist and they sh1T THEMSELVES :angry:
     
  13. bucko

    bucko New Member

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    Problem is Harry - the bulk of them are children!

    Its angered the nation but we need to retain our dignity and morals- not to sink down to the level of those who condone and use violence.

    But, you are right in saying the policing is awful.
    Its almost like they are letting it happen knowing that pictures off the internet, news footage and CCTV will give them all the evidence they need to lock them up once its all calmed down.
     
  14. Baramundi Bob

    Baramundi Bob Super Leeds United !!!

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    I remember having a conversation with Quint around this time last year about Children and role models. It hadn't dawned on me until Iain said it. But what chance is there for the kids of today when they want to be like Katie Price or wayne rooney.
     
  15. chad

    chad New Member

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    good job they dont all live in Wakefield .They send their thugs to Alton Towers for the day, now thats justice!
     
  16. Supersonic

    Supersonic Whitby Bass Club

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    Can you explain the difference between these two statements? Why's it fine for the Turks and Sikhs to form groups to defend their areas, but not white football fans? I personally think it's a great idea when any group of people gets together to protect what they have worked hard for and value, regardless of their ethnicity.

    I don't agree with this. Fight fire with fire. What sort of example does it set if we just leave them to it, then catch a tiny minority on CCTV and give them a couple of months jail? I couldn't give a sh-t if the rioters are kids, adults, pensioners, whatever. As soon as a few of them get dropped by the rubber bullets the rest will take notice, obviously not everywhere immediately, but it sets out a strong deterrent for future troublemakers. I'd be much more inclined to go nick a telly if I knew coppers were just gonna stand there, and that any CCTV of me would never stand up in court, than I would be if I knew I'd get shot for even trying!
     
  17. Benq23

    Benq23 Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

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    Anyone ever seen a Baton round? (rubber bullet) they are about 4" long and 2" wide and made of hard plastic. Now im all for hosing them down and dying them green and all the rest of it but baton rounds will kill people, and the last thing we need are any deaths or martyrs to give them an excuse for further rioting.

    Marshal law might seem like a good idea but its a simple knee jerk reaction, and once the precedent has been set then we are one step closer to an even further monitored and authouritarian police state.

    Round the trouble makers up and make them face the consequences of course, but to unleash semi lethal force on anyone is a step we as a country will live to regret.

    I would like to point out that I in no way endorse or excuse the actions of opportunistic thieves, Ive been very close to a few riots at music festivals where arson and looting have occurred, its a harrowing experiance and its quite scary how fast mob mentality can spread but also it is fuelled by hardline tactics that make it into a clear battle between the police and the general public. If baton rounds had been employed in the situations I have wintessed then it is not just the rioters who are at risk of being hit but the general public trying to go about thier business and or get out of the way that are also in the line of fire

    Bucko is right in the sense that hate fuels hate, and knee jerking our way into a militarised society is not the best way to prevent uprisings and general thuggary

    To be honest I think we are now heading into an era of tighter controlls and another step closer to orwells future
     
  18. Supersonic

    Supersonic Whitby Bass Club

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    I understand your point here mate, afterall the spark that started this whole thing was that bloke getting shot, but don't you think we need stronger deterrents?

    It all boils down to some people using any excuse for trouble. If they're part of a gang, or involved in a riot, their morals and sense of guilt are degraded to the point where they see no problem in what they are doing, as everyone around them is doing the same thing. Ever notice that in quiet places like churches nobody wants to be the first to cough, yet soon as one person does 4 or 5 will follow. It's the effect of seeing someone do something that would be socially embarrassing or awkward and not being affected by any sort of repercussion. It makes it seem 'right'. There's also the effect of them feeling 'invincible' because they're part of this large group where everyone is doing something wrong so they won't get caught.

    At the end of the day someone dying at the hands of the Police may cause a little more trouble in the short term (if their friends and family can get over the embarrassment of being linked to one of these cretins) but in the long term it will show others that they can't do whatever they please, they can't disregard and frankly belittle the authority of the Police, and that they will be punished for doing so.

    I don't think it will bring us any closer to being a n authoritarian police state, and I don't think we'll live to regret it. Look at other countries in europe, they don't. Look at Germany for example. There is a culture of resepect for one another, and for the Police, and teachers. It's a great place to be.

    They just can't keep getting away with it.
     
  19. Benq23

    Benq23 Whitby Fishing Forum _ Simply The Best

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    I get your point regarding stronger deterrants, and I agree wholeheartedly that the police should be able to use more forceful measures to keep the peace for the few law abiding citizens that are still around. water cannon area good option for corwd dispersal but I hardly think that rioting is cause to impose possibly deadly force like baton rounds

    The problem we have here is just as you say, there is a total lack fo respect for people and property from what can only be described as an underclass. This countries society has devolved over the years and bred a culture of people who are rewarded for being idle. This in turn could force a feeling of "entitlement" as in "I deserve those things in the shop that I cant afford because the government dosent give me enough money for doing bugger all"

    The root of this culture needs adressing rather than sticking a bangage over the gaping wound we (and by we I mean the people in power over the last couple of decades) have created. these people who sit all day claiming benefits of which they have contributed nothing towards, who live in houses built for people who were genuinley out of work but looking to be employed as soon as possible. who choke the prison system and lead us to more and more lax laws just in order to keep enough space in the damn places for the next wave of scrotes that are coming through

    Im not talking about rewarding criminals as seen in the case of sending them to alton towers or other such things but about breeding a sense of pride and respect for their country from an early age, proper strict discipline in the classroom and of course the reinstitution of some form of mandatory national service (not nessaccarily military service)

    And for Gods sake make them work for thier dole and housing, or attend mandatory calsses in imporving thier chances at finding work, self employment or further education. we have given these people all the free time and free cash that they need to remain a toxic influence on society and now we see this, and our idea of stopping it? kill or injur them with big lumps of plastic?, no it needs sorting out from the ground up, as these clowns that have been looting will only be the first wave, as they are outnumbering decent people by the day...sort out the parents and then start on the kids, and maybe in a few generations we might have something resembling a Great Britain once again
     
  20. Supersonic

    Supersonic Whitby Bass Club

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    You're right. Hopefully these riots will be the wakeup call to country, and the people running it. The problem fully lies with what you have just explained.

    I'm a teacher working in a poor area so I know first hand the problems we face regarding the attitudes of todays youth. I do everything I can to give these kids more respect for themselves and people around them. I constantly tell them what they could make of themselves, despite what they think and it doesn't matter where they're from. My old man was miner, so were both my Grandads, so were my Great-Grandads, and yet I went to university twice and became a teacher. I'll be paying the loans off for the rest of my days :hurt: :laugh: Some of them take on with it, but for others it just goes over their heads.

    You can imagine how frustrating it is when you're trying to inspire and motivate someone, and the response you get is 'I don't care. My parents sit at home all day drinking and smoking, and their benefits pay for it all. I'll just do the same.' I've genuinely had kids say this to me. You know, sometimes you can call up parents and tell them what a sh-tbag their kid's been today, and all they say is 'well it's your responsibility when he's at your school, not mine.' What good is that?

    It's all gotta start at home, but changing people's attitudes will be very difficult. As you said, hopefully the coming generations will be able to improve the way we live here.
     

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