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[Baramundi Bob]

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[Spawney Bass]

a rather daunting 670 ish pages, have you read it all Glenn ?

[Baramundi Bob]

Nah I pinched the info from someone who is likely to have read it all, at least twice then done a little dance with glee.

I spoke to some of the lads on the charter pontoon yesterday and the mood is not good. They thought they had finally heard the last of this with the licence. Now something that could threaten their livelihoods more than a licence ever would have done, sneaks up from behind and bites them in the rear end. Many of the lads have large investments into their business and are obviously concerned.

[krysb]

it just goes to show that all these single specias groups ie BASS and all their various guises have dealt yet another blow for the charter fleet
when all the sh##e about licenses came about, a certain person on w s f quoted his reply under the conservation forum in regard to licences / bag limits / n t z etc  and his reply to the perpitrators of these bl##dy ideas was "" BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR"" as it may just bite you on the a#se
it seems not to have bitten THEIR arses in particular, except for maybe having to put the odd bass / mullett/ spurdog etc back

it now seems it has come back to bite the ar#es of the people whom rely on the sea to make a living, and who constantly have to put up with the pathetic whinings and ideas of the people who SUPPOSEDLY represent all sea anglers.
also as a quick question, how many cod/ ling that are bought up from 30 fthm will go on to live a happy and prosperous life when released back into the depths???
i dont think many will, so are the do gooders really asking for all anglers who book charter boats / have their own boats to take part in the practise of ""DISCARDING" fish that cannot be taken ashore?????????
it surely looks that way to me

cheers

krysb

[Spawney Bass]

yes, its a broad brush they have given themselves. personally would not find a bag limit on Bass etc a problem provided they adopted the same rules as the Irish, which also includes a complete ban on commercial fishing. but thats not going to happen is it 

once again this bill still has a consultation period, sometime in June so obviously time to mobilize the powers & get that bit amended

[Baramundi Bob]

This is what Bass, SACN and NFSA have been working for. When NFSA put doen on paper that they will accept bag limits did they realise how many people they could potentially put out of business ? When local boat angling expert(not) Dave Morton made his lovely video with the wwf did he he ever take 1 moment to think of the damage he was causing ?

http://www.wwf.org.uk/marineact/fairshare.asp


"Something must be done" he said. Well something has been done. Now the next thing that must be done is compensation.

[krysb]

This is what Bass, SACN and NFSA have been working for. When NFSA put doen on paper that they will accept bag limits did they realise how many people they could potentially put out of business ? When local boat angling expert(not) Dave Morton made his lovely video with the wwf did he he ever take 1 moment to think of the damage he was causing ?

http://www.wwf.org.uk/marineact/fairshare.asp


"Something must be done" he said. Well something has been done. Now the next thing that must be done is compensation.

it doesn't have anything to do with the angling skills or areas fished at all does it??
if he were to venture down the coast a little further he would maybe ( just maybe )have filled his boots

krysb

[Baramundi Bob]

The video was made with one thing in mind Krys, its a propaganda video aimed at the government. I've just done a page analysis of the video page and it states

123 .edu websites link here. (Colleges and universities)

37 .gov websites link here. (Government websites)

and a google page rank of 5 which is higher than the busiest angling forums.

So I think, wwf knew what they were doing, they pitched this video at the academics and the government and they got the viewers they needed. No doubt in my mind this video has contributed to what was announced yesterday.

Also Whose to say they didn't get some good fish and hide them ?? . The camera tells its own story which is the one wwf set out to tell. We know from experience that what is on that video does not represent boat fishing in the north east.

[krysb]

Also Whose to say they didn't get some good fish and hide them ?? . The camera tells its own story which is the one wwf set out to tell. We know from experience that what is on that video does not represent boat fishing in the north east.


coulnt agree more glenn

but to be quite honest about the whole situation, we all know it is going to happen, but he big question is what guise the bill will be  hidden under.
if it were to improve the stock of the north sea and guarantee fish for all, then fine, im sure people would be willing to accept the bill, but as all it will do will be restrict the anglers from the start, what with bait collection in the first instance throught to landing fish for their own use.
i dont see any bl##dy legislation regarding the use of loaves of bread to catch  mullett from the creeks of essex etc, so why not.
will they have to declare how many mackeral  they are catching to mince up and mix in with their ground bait?????? i dont think so.
They want to restrict the angler digging worms and usin crab, so fairs bl##dy fair in my eyes.
EXCEPT: how many anglers want to keep a few poxy dirty mulett anyway, and the same also applies to many of the shark / skate species these people are vouching for.
i could go on but i will just end up getting extremely pi##ed off at the thought

good old SACN / BASS / NFSA youve done us f#####g proud!!!!!!???????
I SALUTE YOU ALL

krysb

[quint]

The producers of that wwf video have graduated with a first class degree from the Goebbels School of Propaganda - boat fishing in the spring as we all know is slack, come here in two months and they will sack up - and they know how to find their target audience - the problem is that most people rely on "experts" to feed them information, some take a balanced view and check out the vadilty of the source, some will happy to be spoon fed bollocks, some just want to be told what they want to know - these people are clever, I noticed yesterday that on the BBC the whole issue of protected zones was announced together with a proposal to open up access to the whole coast line for walkers, therefore linking the two completely different issues, and by that they gain popularity and weight to their crusade

If "our" angling representation are in bed with these left wing morons then we are f**ked and it's a disgrace - they should be filleted with my blunt knife - they should take a few shots aboard that pair trawler off the head

     

[krysb]

If "our" angling representation are in bed with these left wing morons then we are f**ked and it's a disgrace - they should be filleted with my blunt knife - they should take a few shots aboard that pair trawler off the head

HERE F#####G HERE!!!!!!

all in favour say aye!!!

Fully agree with your sentiments





     
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[Baramundi Bob]

Something I figured roughly 18 months ago Iain. They are all in bed together. Probably the worst offender is SACN and Leon Roskilly. The others are not far behind though with BASS and NFSA coming a close second.

Cant remember when it was I twigged it but before that time I was foolishly right behind these organisations. Someone once joked on one of the forums about how easy it would be for the greens to infiltrate the angling representation bodies and use them to their own ends. Initially I laughed at that. But looking back, that is exactly what has happened.

No doubt they will all once again send out their supporters to come onto the forum and defend their corner. But all have supported bag limits and none will campaign to have them taken from the Bill.

Filleting with a blunt knife is too good for them.

[krysb]

wasnt the legendary mr roskilly very proud when they announced the dropping of the proposed licence????
on another forum he seemed pleased as punch???
why was this the case when he and his organisations were pushing for the licence in the first place.?????
is it a case of a sacn / mulett hugger defector coming round to the way of thinking of all other anglers, or was it ( if you look at other forums ) a case of "" hey look at me , ive got the descision reversed"" arnt i fantastic.??
i wonder???????????

too many questions, not enough time

all this decision has done is grease the back passage up again and open the back door to another shafting

[Baramundi Bob]

Several theories floating about. Many think the licence was never on the cards but was put there to be knocked down whilst they concentrated on the others items they wanted. You are right Chris Leon Roskilly was one of a few people responsible for the RSA Strategy. The group they formed was the inshore fisheries working group sea angling sub committee.

see:


This is where it all began]

When these people set off back in 2006 did they consult those who they were going to impact upon ?

[Baramundi Bob]

I would love to know how a group that represents less than 1000 sea anglers finds its way onto such a panel. Remembering that SACN is an unelected body, their chief in charge is unelected as is their executive committee - which is a hand selected panel of electronic friends.

[krysb]

I would love to know how a group that represents less than 1000 sea anglers finds its way onto such a panel. Remembering that SACN is an unelected body, their chief in charge is unelected as is their executive committee - which is a hand selected panel of electronic friends.

glenn

i would also love to know how many actually get off their keyboards and actually go fishing
i bet it aint that many, other wise they may actually see with their own eyes what is occuring outside their comfort zone.
also if they represent approx 1000 sea anglers, how and why the hell they have the right to try and influence defra etc into believing the seas are empty and the whole ecosystem is collapsing.
( that wont happen till the july festival )
my personal views on these people are that they a bunch of green numpties who have pressed the self destruct button,and its only a matter of time until they actually realise what the f##k they have done

[mike_]

This is what Bass, SACN and NFSA have been working for. When NFSA put doen on paper that they will accept bag limits did they realise how many people they could potentially put out of business ? When local boat angling expert(not) Dave Morton made his lovely video with the wwf did he he ever take 1 moment to think of the damage he was causing ?

http://www.wwf.org.uk/marineact/fairshare.asp


"Something must be done" he said. Well something has been done. Now the next thing that must be done is compensation.

it doesn't have anything to do with the angling skills or areas fished at all does it??
if he were to venture down the coast a little further he would maybe ( just maybe )have filled his boots

krysb

maybe getting the wrong end of the stick here    -but are you saying fish stocks are as healthy -compared to say 5 -10 -15 yrs ago ?

mike

[Baramundi Bob]

I think what Krysb is saying is that the video was shot in Hartlepool. Whereas if you venture down the road to Whitby then the fishing is many times better. The pictures speak for themselves :

http://www.wcsa.co.uk/gallery.php

 

[mike_]

I think what Krysb is saying is that the video was shot in Hartlepool. Whereas if you venture down the road to Whitby then the fishing is many times better. The pictures speak for themselves :

http://www.wcsa.co.uk/gallery.php

 

yes glen i totally agree with that point- but my above question still stands -we all know who are doing the damage (trawlers - pls point me to a petition to get them stopped )

mike

[Baramundi Bob]

Petitions about commercial fishing are 10 a penny on the no 10 website Mike. Petitions for Golden miles, no netting, no trawlers. There's hundreds of them.

Both you and I know the cause of fish stock problems, to be honest so do DEFRA. Just thinking back to the meeting with DEFRA in Scarborough a month back, were you there ? If so you might remember a question pitched at Anthony Hynes. One of the lads in the room asked what was the cause of fish stock problems. Initially Anthony smiled but said nothing. The question was fired back. Again no reply. The question was asked a third time and Anthony looked to side show bob from natural England and out the side of his mouth he mutters "COMMERCIAL FISHING".

So there is proof the guys at DEFRA know it too.

So why do they take no notice ? The NFFO has a very powerful lobbey. What the NFFO wants the NFFO gets. Its only my opinion but at the moment the more time we spend fighting commercials the more DEFRA will sneak up on us and take away our rights. When we finally wake up, The NFFO will have secured every last fish we have to throw back for themselves.