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[Davo]

I can imagine Coasty, i would imagine its a different ball game in them rivers

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[coasty]

Fishing in the french rivers is like fishing in ours as I remember them as a kid... Streamer weed clear water huge shoals of fry and minnows..

[Davo]

Aye Coasty, a little beck were i was brought up was like that. When i say a beck, i mean a beck, not a small river. It was crystal clear and full of Elodia, were you could watch the sticklebacks darting in and out. It is called Sandy Beck to me and everyone else, but although its official name is Marton West Beck. Its when you see the neglect to these smaller streams, then you understand whats happenning to the major waterways.  It may be possible, however, these litttle becks may be taking more punishment that the major rivers.

[coasty]

Davo I fished the river whiske near thirsk 40 years ago. It was crystal clear full of streamer weed with shoals aof chub and roach, Just like in Mr Crabtree. Years later I visited it again it was murky smelly with no visible life was a real shock to see how bad it was..

[bucko]

Aye Coasty, a little beck were i was brought up was like that. When i say a beck, i mean a beck, not a small river. It was crystal clear and full of Elodia, were you could watch the sticklebacks darting in and out. It is called Sandy Beck to me and everyone else, but although its official name is Marton West Beck. Its when you see the neglect to these smaller streams, then you understand whats happenning to the major waterways.  It may be possible, however, these litttle becks may be taking more punishment that the major rivers.

A quick walk through Teesside Park is evidence of that Dave.
Look at that stream near Thornaby up to Low Lane and it looks like it might have some possibilities. Downstream though it is nothing short of rank! Shopping trolleys and sh*te.
I reckon the lack of management of the smaller streams plays no small part in the flooding which seems more common these days- silted up and overgrown streams simply cannot contain a bit of a spate.

[Davo]

I can quite imagine Coasty. Rivers and streams change naturally over the years, just like everything else, but the neglect the smaller streams recieve is shocking. I bet you had some good days there as a youngster.

Did you watch The Accidental Angler, when he was fishing for Brownies in London? The neglect of the smaller waterways was evident there, and some where now sewers, and thats our so called Capital. I'm glad i dont live there.

Ian, i've always meant to have a look along that stream, to see whats in there. Is that the same stream that suffered from a tanker spill a few years back on the A19? If it was i remember the effort put in to protect it, and that was commendable. But when you look a bit lower down, then they should be doing something about that.

[coasty]

I can quite imagine Coasty. Rivers and streams change naturally over the years, just like everything else, but the neglect the smaller streams recieve is shocking. I bet you had some good days there as a youngster.

Did you watch The Accidental Angler, when he was fishing for Brownies in London? The neglect of the smaller waterways was evident there, and some where now sewers, and thats our so called Capital. I'm glad i dont live there.

Ian, i've always meant to have a look along that stream, to see whats in there. Is that the same stream that suffered from a tanker spill a few years back on the A19? If it was i remember the effort put in to protect it, and that was commendable. But when you look a bit lower down, then they should be doing something about that.

I was at a boarding school near Sandhutton... ( School for naughty boys) I only had one rod and reel it was a edgar sealy solid glass 7ft spinning rod and an intrepid black prince reel. I reckon I had more fun with that kit for 3 or 4 years than all the fancy gear I own now. Makes me smile now when I see on forums young kids saying they cant fish without hundreds of pounds worth of kit....

[Davo]

I empathise with you there mate. I think about the gear i used, and i caught more fish than the gear i've got now-and it was more enjoyable. I watch the kids going down the local park looking like refugees, pushing barrows full of gear just to fish for carp. If you asked them to catch a Roach, they wouldnt be able to. In fact i know they wouldn't because i've witnessed it first hand.

Years back, i used to fish with a rod that was cane (not split) and a fibre glass top, and caught bags of Tench and other coarse fish on it. My first rod, however, was a 9ft solid glass effort, but it worked ok for me.

[bucko]

[baza]

"when i was a lad" cough cough. we had a caravan nea hamsterley forest. it had a stream running through the site. a tributary to the wear i think. it was full of small brownies that we used to tickle. we would fill a bucket with them some where a good size too. there was lots of minnow and stickle backs and  even loach, eels and lamprays. all of which made there way to the bucket and returned after a good inspection . one catch that this post has just reminded me of was a catfish. only small maybe 5 or6 oz but we didnt put this fish back. the fish was kept by an uncle of mine successfully for a while and given to my dad for another while. how long i cant remember exactly as i cant of been older than 10 but the fish grew to big for its tank. it was a big tank aswell. the fish was returned  weighing probably well over 1lb. it looked bloody big to me at the time. childhood memories 

[mattylamb]

many of us did our first fishing in these small streams. how many youn guns today learn that way? none i bet.

this is a photo of the exact spot i caught my first ever fish - the  pool atthe bottom of the waterdfall was full of trout, probably still is to be honest but ive not been back for years

http://www.flickr.com/photos/59289912@N00/2410614915/

[bucko]

I agree Matty. These days people tend to start on the stocked waters then move onto the wild fish once they become bored. I feel a bit sorry for them more than anything as they've missed out on a learning experience that takes in stealth, rivercraft and presentation.
Its really refreshing to see on here that people are as happy with a little six inch wild brown as they are a 10lb rainbow.

[Davo]

Thats true lads. I see the same in Commercial Carping, and it makes me wonder were angling is going. I watched a kids match in the local park last year, and they all came in with their wheel barrows full of gear. After a few hours, in really hot weather, the Carp didnt play ball-which is unusual. Some of the lads then tried to catch silverfish, and it was just like watching Faulty Towers, as they didnt know where to start.

When the match was over, a young lad came in and started to fish with nowt much more, than a rod, reel, tackle box, and maggots. He subsequently, had, a bite a chuck, which resulted in either a Roach or a missed bite. If he had entered the compo, he would have walked it.  He obviously, started fishing from the roots, so to speak. Thats why it makes my day, when lads such as Dan (go go gadget) is over the moon when he catches small Brownies in The Beck. He knows his angling roots, and he will develop as an angler, naturally and accordingly.

I feel there is a time and place for everything, but i reckon that youguns, would be better off learning the basics, and enjoying everything that comes with it, at the same time.