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[Maxie]

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[Baramundi Bob]

[GJW]

Glenn you have a very good chance of coming out on top in a big open competion you just need that bit of luck on the day to help you along as we all do from time to time, you don't get top rod in the Whitby club 2yrs running for just turning up, you fish up against some very good anglers in the Whitby club and consistently come out on top, now that takes some doing....

I believe another reason why we struggle to attract big numbers of traveling anglers to our area to fish an open comp is that our coastline is extremely difficult to access and a climb down cliffs followed by a 35-40min walk to reach some marks puts a lot of people off, i know not all the fishing spots along our coast involve climbing down cliffs and very long walks, but i think that anglers further north and South have this mental picture and think the only way they can compete is to do just that and so they shy away from them, and a few have told me so...   i once took a couple of very good anglers from up north to Goldsbrough for one of our opens, they turned up with there seat box's rod holdalls and big buckets but they never did come back again..  personally i don't think we have a very easy ride in our area regarding easy access to good fishing spots...

I try as best possible to support our local open competions as i think it is important  if no one attends and the organisers get sick we would all be moaning we have no local opens to fish, so i take my hat off to the people who put all the hard work and time into organising competions for us to fish..

Gary

[dabcatcher]

you will find that all clubs will be dominated by just a few who regularly win. there will always be some there that are better than others and put that little bit of extra effort in to there fishing.

i have always done well in the local clubs i have been involved in and because of this there has been 3 clubs locally that wont allow me to join them. i have also been in situation where people actually leave the club because the same people always win. there has even been problems with the club i am in now relating to the same.

i am personally very competative and put lots of effort into my fishing and bait collecting then doing the homework needed to work out where will fish best. its normally the guys who just turn up on the day with 2 rigs and a pack of bought worm then go to the nearest sheltered spot who will complian because you always weigh in.

i have actually offered to take people with me, give them the rigs needed and coach them during the match. this they usually dont want. they just dont want you to weigh in.

i am not a profesional or anywhere near a good as the guys doing well regularly in the big opens but do know my own area very well as i have fished it for over 35 years.

even if you took away the top 3 from any club there will still be someone who will do better than those that are left.

my own preference is to let the guy in the middle carry on trying harder to improve and get a few weighins and put a little effort into helping the underdogs. those who really need some help and advice. by encouraging these people the club will grow because its these that will leave first.

[fishergirl]

round here, anyone can win a match. i've never bothered fishing any of the bigger matches as i don't think i would have a chance of winning (or being in the top 50!!)

[GJW]

Confidence Jess.... look at all the top anglers you will notice most are confident and have self believe...I think that is the first thing you should carry to a match with you, without that you are already beat before you start..

[fishergirl]

don't know about that - the match i won i spent all night hiding behind a rock sheltering from the wind wonderin what the hell i was doin!! what i mean is that i don't have the power (or the muscle/build) to reach the fish in most places. there are several places i know where i have a chance catching fish , but don't think dad will be taking me to them places now he has his 16fter!!! and i don't have anywhere near as much knowledge as the big guns

[Dav]

It takes alot of hard work and effort to consistantly do well in clubs or opens , the people who are up there fully deserve it in my eyes...  i   find it mad that clubs refuse entry to people because they are to good .... ,,somebody once told me certain people had left a club because a certain person kept winning ... ...,at the end of the day there is always somebody better , its just upto yourself to raise ure own game and create competition for them .....
That is what matches are all about ........

[GJW]

It takes alot of hard work and effort to consistantly do well in clubs or opens , the people who are up there fully deserve it in my eyes...  i   find it mad that clubs refuse entry to people because they are to good .... ,,somebody once told me certain people had left a club because a certain person kept winning ... ...,at the end of the day there is always somebody better , its just upto yourself to raise ure own game and create competition for them .....
That is what matches are all about ........

Well put Dav, i agree totally...

[Baramundi Bob]

Yes that certainly is true. I was going to mention the situation you mentioned Dav. Fishing evolves and the best anglers dont stay at the top forever. As Ramrod said once - "The king is dead long live the king". There was a time when A member of our club was possibly the best on the coast, this person was Dennis Thompson, then came the Scarborough boys and knocked off his crown. Scaify, mart wilding, Andy Crowe, Steve Ianson, Jeremy Robsinson all took the knowledge and put the bar higher. Then came Ray who at times looks invincible. Who will take the next step ?

Also Dabcatcher makes a great point. Its always the ones who put in least effort who knock the top rods. Our club is exactly the same. In a bid to knock me off the top their have been many suggestions - Ban whitings, change the boundaries etc etc etc. Im now at the point I darent tell anyone where I fished incase they try to make the venue out of bounds. One lad in our club AGM suggested that if I wanted to fish at Saltburn I should join Saltburn club, the proposed a boundary change to Skinnigrove. He failed to see the ironary of the fact he left Filey Brigg in bounds - a place further away but one he liked to fish. My perspective is throw the rules out the window along with boundaries and let the best man win so long as you fish within the laws of the land 

[Ramrod]

It,s a great pity when oganisers put on a well sponsered match not to mention all the work and preparation to find that the entry is poor. In Maxies case I honestly dont know what the answer is with maybe the exception of being out of season as far as most match anglers are concerned. Perhaps it,s different on the west coast but around here most have put their gear away and bait becomes the high priority. What I will say regarding the above discussions is, to try and penalize someone, as in Dabcatcher, is certainly not the way forward, it,s a step backward! Whether it is club or opens, it,s competition and it,s up to every individual to try and raise the bar not drag it down to their level.

[Baramundi Bob]

Whether it is club or opens, it,s competition and it,s up to every individual to try and raise the bar not drag it down to their level.

Couldn't have put it better myself. Well said Ray.

[baza]

i am in the same club as dabcatcher, and have been for 18months. its the first time i fished competitively, i like it . bill(dabcatcher) has hepled me improve and showed me how to fish matches and even win a few. our club is only small and getting smaller we are now struggling to get 10members to show up for matches. we started out having a decent turnout, we had open boundries excluding tresspassing but because the anglers who where travelling to where the fish where and not staying local were winning, usually billy , some members wernt happy and numbers declined, so the club decided to shut the boundries to only fish in hartlepool. the numbers became worse. the people who wanted the boundries closed wernt turning out to fish and we end up struggling.
 our summer league hs started and we are one match in, weve advertised for members and as yet none have decided to join. it is a shame, as clubs are a really good place to learn how to catch more fish and become a better angler, even if the politics is sometimes poo

[Baramundi Bob]

Anyone serious about wanting to learn how to catch fish really should consider joining a club. Be warned You will initially be met by secrecy and some odd people at times but the knowledge about fishing your local area is within that club somewhere - you just have to learn the ways to unlock the secrets. I think without the help of such people who fish clubs then some anglers may never improve.

[Dav]

Agree to that glen , especially the part about meeting  odd people .....

[macky]

Anyone serious about wanting to learn how to catch fish really should consider joining a club. Be warned You will initially be met by secrecy and some odd people at times but the knowledge about fishing your local area is within that club somewhere - you just have to learn the ways to unlock the secrets. I think without the help of such people who fish clubs then some anglers may never improve.

 

[Bassyken]

Interesting posts, and after a decade of organising and running a freshwater club i've only just realised how similar the two disciplines are, banning certain individuals from joinings, club members leaving because they felt they were nothing but pools fodder for the top anglers who were consistantly winning. we tried all sorts from organising sections, drawn sections and handicaps  . Neadless to say I dont run a club anymore and just fish to please myself.......but that competitive urge just doesnt go away  

But on the plus side, I learnt so much, met some great people, made some great friends, havent the energy to do it again tho 

[Maxie]

did all the tinkering make a difference though carpyken cos at the end of the day theres only one winner.

is the penn sea league good or bad for match fishing?to me match fishing is about money not kudos or penn points,plain hard cash.when i hear people say they arent fishing a match that hasent got penn points i cant understand it.

[Baramundi Bob]

Agree to that glen , especially the part about meeting  odd people .....

Theres a high percentage in your club Dav  Think the fumes from Wilton play a part in that  Only joking mate they are a great bunch of lads.

[Bassyken]

Ner mate in all honesty it didnt make a difference, but the end of year results were always interesting, yes you would get one or two anglers who were consistantly the best ( and God knows how but also consistantly good at the draw bag  ) but hats off to them, they put in the hours, the dedication, the research.  But then below this there would be some anglers who you could see improving through-out a season, these were the guys who would be the top anglers in a season or two, again totally passionate in what they did.

It got silly in the end, pools money was split up into 1st, 2nd and 3rd and with up to four and five section prizes and also an optional super pools. You would be lucky to get your money back by coming third, but this did put off the big names off who simply joined the local clubs in the search for pools money.