Marine Fisheries Scientific Advisory Group

[Baramundi Bob]

Does anyone know anything about this group and its remit ? Word on the grapevine is that they along with CEFAS funded by the government will be researching sea anglers and their impacts on fish stocks in the next couple of years. Word is that a member of our forum has been assigned to the group by DEFRA, hopefully this means the anglers of this forum wont be kept in the dark about what is afoot in the southern corridors of power.

[bassman]

is name could be the cod spelt backwards  ;)

[Baramundi Bob]

No, not the person I have been told about Bassman. It all looks to me like they are lining us up for bag limits and I don't think there is a thing can be done about it.

[bassman]

its been on the cards for a long time Glenn the next thing to rear its ugly head will be licences again to police the bag limits

[Baramundi Bob]

There was a meeting last week in London. Some of the locals went down.

AGENDA items included -

Update from Defra on key issues of relevance to RSA sector, and discussion:
Bass and next steps - Taking forward bass nursery areas, fixed netting review and proposals under the Challenge Fund.
Tope
Marine Bill
RSA Strategy - Next steps on a consultation and identifying how we ensure effective communication of the Strategy with anglers and interested groups.
2027 Fisheries Vision

RSA Data and Evidence.
Presentation by Cefas - What data exists already, what sort of data sources are useful, what is being planned to build our evidence base.
Discussion - How can we work together to gather new data and evidence?

RSA and Marine Protected Areas (MPAs).
Update from Natural England

Additional angling issues (Any Other Business)

Invited representatives include:

NFSA
NMC,
SFC Reps
BASS
Sea Angling Conservation NetworkK&E SFC
Angling Trades Association
National Conger Club
National Federation of Charter Skippers
Essex Charter Fishing
Isles of Scilly
Weymouth & Portland Licensed Skippers Association
Professional Boatmans Association
Charter, NE
Save our Sharks
Total Sea Fishing

From what I have been told there was almost total opposition to the licence and rsa strategy with the exception of SACN and NFSA who said little at all. The feeling is that DEFRA are going to steamroller us and pass this whether we like it or not. Note in the agenda the mentioning of CEFAS and research - How can we work together to gather new data and evidence. My advice to anyone would be dont work with these people, dont even talk to them. There are many great wrongs going on in the north sea to Which these people have turned a blind eye, we should not now give them anything that they can use to ensure we catch less so that the commercial fishermen can have access to more.

[Leon Roskilly]

Does anyone know anything about this group and its remit ?

See  http://www.defra.gov.uk/fish/science/mfsag.htm


DEFRA is funding a 3 year study of RSA (MF1203), to be undertaken by CEFAS and CEMARE, beginning in April 2008.

http://www.defra.gov.uk/fish/science/pdf/smfrp.pdf

Angling is one of the most popular recreational activities in the UK, and the total annual expenditure by marine anglers on related goods and services is of the order of £1 billion, demonstrating the potential social and political importance of this sector.

There is therefore a need to obtain more reliable information on recreational fisheries, and to improve our understanding of their impact on stocks, their interactions with commercial fisheries and their likely response to different stock levels and/or management actions.

[bigcod]

Does anyone know anything about this group and its remit ?

See  http://www.defra.gov.uk/fish/science/mfsag.htm


DEFRA is funding a 3 year study of RSA (MF1203), to be undertaken by CEFAS and CEMARE, beginning in April 2008.

http://www.defra.gov.uk/fish/science/pdf/smfrp.pdf

Angling is one of the most popular recreational activities in the UK, and the total annual expenditure by marine anglers on related goods and services is of the order of £1 billion, demonstrating the potential social and political importance of this sector.

There is therefore a need to obtain more reliable information on recreational fisheries, and to improve our understanding of their impact on stocks, their interactions with commercial fisheries and their likely response to different stock levels and/or management actions.

Defra would do better spending tax payers money on finding out just how many codling are discarded each year by the commercial sector then they would forget all about anglers they are takeing the pist. >:(

[Baramundi Bob]

DEFRA are not concerned about that Paul. I've been talking to John at a meeting tonight and this research was discussed at the meeting you missed in London last week. It is to be a very large study of sea angling including various things from : how many fish we take out the sea to how much fuel you put into your car when doing so. I think the first questionnaires are ready to go.

[bigcod]

DEFRA are not concerned about that Paul. I've been talking to John at a meeting tonight and this research was discussed at the meeting you missed in London last week. It is to be a very large study of sea angling including various things from : how many fish we take out the sea to how much fuel you put into your car when doing so. I think the first questionnaires are ready to go.

That is  all well and good glen but it is all leading to one thing bag limits if it had just been rod and line fishing over the last 30 years you would still be pulling 20lb from the shore the same as i did in the 70ss as you said to me things are going on behind the scences from the commercial  sector putting presure on defra to give them an ecuse to curb anglers it absolutly stinks.

[Howard]

 See its reached the news again this morning about the prawners chucking cod and turbots back dead it must be a poor news day or something and will be forgotton about by non anglers by tomorrow.
 Do not have to do a scientific study to state as fact that there will be more commercial discard this week than all anglers catch in a year so why not target this problem?

[Baramundi Bob]

Yes you are right Paul there are things going on but its not just commercials. This CEFAS research has some anglers involved too. As the topic says at the top, a forum member is involved, maybe he would like to tell us more about the research, the aims and objectives, timescales etc ?

[bigcod]

See its reached the news again this morning about the prawners chucking cod and turbots back dead it must be a poor news day or something and will be forgotton about by non anglers by tomorrow.
 Do not have to do a scientific study to state as fact that there will be more commercial discard this week than all anglers catch in a year so why not target this problem?

Howard we know that but 99.9% of the population doesnt including leon.

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