Flamborough No Fishing Zone - Meeting

[langy]

danger brown 

[flithers]

are you aware of the targetted pair trawling of bass that take place most winters at flamborough?

-it is a sad but true fact,   -and get this i have it on very good authority that one pair team took FORTY STONES of bass for a single tow!!  -and these are not small insignificant bass they are adult bass of a size that most anglers dream of.

my suspicion given the time of year is that these bass being targetted in this way are a spawning associated congregation ...................please  give some thought to that 
 ... not nice is it??

-and while considering that, -from the very same n.e.s.f.c report to which you refer it also stated that a number of year '0' bass were noted in filey bay (a then first for yorkshire ) and went on to speculate that also as recently spawned fish figured in some catches the evidence suggests that a locally centred spawning of bass may well be taking place

with specific relevence to the trawlers targetting these fish in this way
-the thing that frustrates/prevents these vessels being able to tow even closer inshore where they can do even more damage both to fish stocks and seabed

 -you guessed it is the static gear already in place!!

That's both interesting and depressing.  But I'm not sure that we should view the gill netters as our friendly protectors and saviours against even worse pillaging of the bass stocks by pair net trawlers!  

How about making the whole Yorkshire coast a mile out a leisure angling reserve, apply sensible bag limits and there'll be fish for everybody.  No more gill net fisheries or close-in trawling.  That thought doesn't exactly break my heart.  Still plenty of work for the lads who do the crabbing and shellfish, which is the majority especially out of Brid and Filey, and it leaves quite a few more fish for us.

Anyhow, it ain't gonna happen.  Instead, we'll get banned from Flamborough.  Year after that, they'll probably start making us pay licences for the privilege of catching nowt everywhere else.  

by far and away bud, the static gear to which northbayotter was refferring is in the main, -pots set for crab and lobster

as for the 'golden mile' -as advocated by some.......

time for a .....REALITY CHECK.... i think !

don't even dare hope! -and to throw your weight behind that one is a road to nowhere for sure, however attractive it may seem to be,

-how about this for a scenario as the government will say we'll think about it.... (the golden mile) .. is just the sort of 'carrot' they would dangle to attract us to accept the licencing system they are considering

then when we've all paid our £25 for the first time announce that they've thought.... then announce that actually after considering all the evidence..... we have decided not to go ahead with that idea....!!

-want proof?  -try the bass mls size increase (not !)  fiasco

seriously though m8 this is the reality that those of us who have troubled to find out now find ourselves in,
and as stuartmac correctly states in his last response to northbayotter most anglers would rather "go fishing" than engage themselves in issues such as these and he is also absolutely correct that he states that they had better enjoy it while they can as what he is hinting at is that unless more anglers get off the fence and engage the 'enemies'of sea angling then the greatest likelihood is that many of the changes that are set to take place will simply pass into law completely inadequately challenged and this will come to pass entirely as a direct result of the current state of almost complete apathy.(partly out of blissful ignorance)
therefore i would respectfully urge both yourself and other anglers like you everywhere to stand up and be counted as it is the only chance for us to achieve an acceptable outcome for the future of our sport in the troubled times ahead.

[andycod]

i would like to take my hat off to the lads and lasses who attend these meetings hoping to stem the tide of people trying to rectify problems that have been created by the likes of themselves,although it makes me laugh at some of the comments made on this subject,as much as i am against any form of access to anybody including people trying to make a living from the sea ,its about time anglers in general took a look at the damage to fish stocks they create,not only the killing of unwanted fish in the name of match fishing (although sometimes this is unavoidable)also look at the fish food chain worm beds dug till every last worm is on a hook, crabs collected in their thousands by thousands,large edible crabs slaughted for very little bait,whether it be to make money or to improve as a angler we are responsible for our future in angling,we are all to quick to blame someone else everyone has the same rights so no one party is responsible,(we all are including myself!)for example if there were thousands of cod on the holderness coast this weekend how many would be slaughtered for a handful of heaviest fish  prizes!                                                                                             So as for restricted areas its about time we all told the do gooders to get stuffed and start and manage our own areas properly and stop been so shellfish ourselves!!!!

[bigcod]

i would like to take my hat off to the lads and lasses who attend these meetings hoping to stem the tide of people trying to rectify problems that have been created by the likes of themselves,although it makes me laugh at some of the comments made on this subject,as much as i am against any form of access to anybody including people trying to make a living from the sea ,its about time anglers in general took a look at the damage to fish stocks they create,not only the killing of unwanted fish in the name of match fishing (although sometimes this is unavoidable)also look at the fish food chain worm beds dug till every last worm is on a hook, crabs collected in their thousands by thousands,large edible crabs slaughted for very little bait,whether it be to make money or to improve as a angler we are responsible for our future in angling,we are all to quick to blame someone else everyone has the same rights so no one party is responsible,(we all are including myself!)for example if there were thousands of cod on the holderness coast this weekend how many would be slaughtered for a handful of heaviest fish  prizes!                                                                                             So as for restricted areas its about time we all told the do gooders to get stuffed and start and manage our own areas properly and stop been so shellfish ourselves!!!!

Andy i am sorry  but if you  think anglers do damage to fish stocks you are very nieve indeed anglers dont even scratch the surface with fish stocks and that is a fact trawlers discard more codling throughout a year than all the anglers in uk take home as we speak tons of cod are thrown back dead because of the quota system for trawlers the daft thing is it is not because some boats dont have quota they have but are renting it at crazy prices per ton so if the cod aint box lenth to get a good market price it is being thrown back over the side dead i am talking fish probably fish upto 6lb or 7lb all going back over the side till the boxes are full of box lenth cod this is happeneing day in day out as we speak i will give just one example to make realize just what impact anglers have 10 years ago 97-98 winter there was massive explosion of juvenile cod up to 5-6lb i can rememeber  going to sea with my anglers from october to december and once we got out to 3 mile we were met by about a dozen scottish trawlers all around 90ft in lenth these boats were built to fish of shetland not 3 miles of the yorkshire coast in 3 months these boats took 76,000 boxes  of codling between whitby and flamborough they were on a massive fishing it was sheer slaughter especially of flamborough head during december 97 i watched artic wagons  being filled up every night by the scotch trawlers thousands of boxes of  cod every day was being caught by these boats they stopped comeing down in 2000 because it wasnt worth for them but the damage was done over the 3 years they were here so when i hear people say anglers do damage to fish stocks they are  very nieve to what goes on out at sea dont be fooled andy i wouldnt worry about what we take we are only a grain of sand in a desert.

[biscuitlad]

Andy i am sorry  but if you  think anglers do damage to fish stocks you are very nieve indeed anglers dont even scratch the surface with fish stocks and that is a fact trawlers discard more codling throughout a year than all the anglers in uk take home as we speak tons of cod are thrown back dead because of the quota system for trawlers the daft thing is it is not because some boats dont have quota they have but are renting it at crazy prices per ton so if the cod aint box lenth to get a good market price it is being thrown back over the side dead i am talking fish probably fish upto 6lb or 7lb all going back over the side till the boxes are full of box lenth cod this is happeneing day in day out as we speak i will give just one example to make realize just what impact anglers have 10 years ago 97-98 winter there was massive explosion of juvenile cod up to 5-6lb i can rememeber  going to sea with my anglers from october to december and once we got out to 3 mile we were met by about a dozen scottish trawlers all around 90ft in lenth these boats were built to fish of shetland not 3 miles of the yorkshire coast in 3 months these boats took 76,000 boxes  of codling between whitby and flamborough they were on a massive fishing it was sheer slaughter especially of flamborough head during december 97 i watched artic wagons  being filled up every night by the scotch trawlers thousands of boxes of  cod every day was being caught by these boats they stopped comeing down in 2000 because it wasnt worth for them but the damage was done over the 3 years they were here so when i hear people say anglers do damage to fish stocks they are  very nieve to what goes on out at sea dont be fooled andy i wouldnt worry about what we take we are only a grain of sand in a desert.

Well said.  Ban all commercial netting within 10 mile of the coast. 

Leave local cod to locals!

[andycod]

well big cod i think we all know the impact trawlers have had on the seas resources ,none more than myself with both brothers skipper and deckhand of the trawler emulator for more than 25 years.This is the only trawler left at present in scarborough,so without going into to much detail i have a rough idea of what gets thrown away and would also say for quite a few years is very little,but this is not defending trawlers and other commercial fishermen because if the greedy b-------s had used their brains in the first place  they too would still be making a good living from the sea.i still stand by my comments and would say if we all put that grain of sand back in you quote surely it would make a difference,maybe the words fish stocks were inapropiate, but for example with ever more anglers desire to catch fish ,to have the best bait at all costs we all seem to be moving further and further away to get it which will turn other peoples ground into the likes of filey bay where not to many years back you could dig whites yellows and blacks ,razors etc in numbers no more though as the relentles search moves elsewhere.back to flamborough for the good of angling and the access to our grounds we should all try to think of ways to improve what is a tricky situation we do not want to end up like fox hunting ,hunting with dogs etc which when all said and done was someone elses hobby

[Baramundi Bob]

Hi Andy,

Given that the Flamborough Area is bye and large the stomping grounds of the Bridlington Sea Angling Club, and that specific areas in the Flamborough And Bempton regions are home to a large percentage of fishing in the Filey and Scarborough Angling Festivals, can you propose any solutions to the issue which could see this area become closed to the anglers who currently fish there ?

[andycod]

well bob tell them no can do!!  but as you and i know this proberbly wont work so keep them south side of the light house where there is already tight controls on our hobby and commercial fishing and also there is access for their scientists and students with the health and safety taken into consideration bearing in mind the perilous tides and unstable cliffs in the region. Been realistic they would proberbly benifit from the assistance of local anglers, kayakers and commercial fishermen  in their quest for information north of the lighthouse because most fish are just passing through due to the tides and i dont believe that they could study the area to its full potential due to the access of the place the question i would proberbly ask is there somewhere more suitible for all concerned whitch would have more benifit to nature!!

[bigcod]

well big cod i think we all know the impact trawlers have had on the seas resources ,none more than myself with both brothers skipper and deckhand of the trawler emulator for more than 25 years.This is the only trawler left at present in scarborough,so without going into to much detail i have a rough idea of what gets thrown away and would also say for quite a few years is very little,but this is not defending trawlers and other commercial fishermen because if the greedy b-------s had used their brains in the first place  they too would still be making a good living from the sea.i still stand by my comments and would say if we all put that grain of sand back in you quote surely it would make a difference,maybe the words fish stocks were inapropiate, but for example with ever more anglers desire to catch fish ,to have the best bait at all costs we all seem to be moving further and further away to get it which will turn other peoples ground into the likes of filey bay where not to many years back you could dig whites yellows and blacks ,razors etc in numbers no more though as the relentles search moves elsewhere.back to flamborough for the good of angling and the access to our grounds we should all try to think of ways to improve what is a tricky situation we do not want to end up like fox hunting ,hunting with dogs etc which when all said and done was someone elses hobby

Andy i still say us anglers dont make a difference in real terms we all  have our opinions but i dont believe we would make a significant difference your words is  music to defras ears they hear pharses like anglers do damage to fish stocks and we will all be on 2 fish bag limit charterboats out of buisness and for what nothing its bulldoggy do do 6 years ago one of the pair teams from whitby had to drag the net back to the harbour it was full of small codling feeding on herring spawn one of the skippers who is a friend of mine told me they had about 300 kit of small codling in the net that is 3000 stone just how many codlings is that and that was just one 4 hour tow nearly half those fish were dumped as they were left to long  in the net the harbour was full dead codling remember andy as far as cod are concerned anglers have 0 discards what few fish anglers take i n real terms aint gonna   make a bit of differnce to cod stocks.

[Baramundi Bob]

Whilst your on the subject of Bag Limits Paul. Has your association compiled a response to the RSA Strategy Consultation ? If not will you be doing ?

I can imagine the discussion at DEFRA now. Those Charter skippers from the north who have made such a fuss, havent bothered to reply. I guess they werent that concerned after all. Lets press on 

Just a heads up Paul, no point complaining time and time again in here. Its DEFRA you have to convince 

Also if Andy has real concerns then the place for them is in a reply to DEFRA. Its open to us all and there is no point complaining once the opportunity has passed.

[biscuitlad]

And just to remind everybody, the (open to all) RSA Strategy meeting is to be held at the Anglers Social Club, Friars Way,Scarborough, 7.30pm Monday 10th march. 

Give them your views.

[bigcod]

And just to remind everybody, the (open to all) RSA Strategy meeting is to be held at the Anglers Social Club, Friars Way,Scarborough, 7.30pm Monday 10th march. 

Give them your views.

We will be there.

[Baramundi Bob]

But will you all be making a response as its only your written response they will be listening too. ??????

[Hammy]

Why can't they make an area like Hayburn Wyke a marine conservation area?  It's virtually impossible for shore anglers to access,     
 

This is a silly little thing for me to mention, due to the import of this topic, but surely Hayburn Wyke isn't hard to access, -has a nice well maintained path down, and a pub(very important!) with parking at the top of it! Perhaps you're thinking of somewhere else?

I shall do my best to get to the meeting, It is an important thing. I would like to be able to say I knew how to preserve our commercial and recreational fishing interests along with the marine ecosystem, but I'm afraid I see no way forward in the current political climate.
I feel that whatever we propose will be brushed aside by the 'big guns', but please folks, ignore my apathy and keep shouting!

[biscuitlad]

Why can't they make an area like Hayburn Wyke a marine conservation area?  It's virtually impossible for shore anglers to access,     
 

This is a silly little thing for me to mention, due to the import of this topic, but surely Hayburn Wyke isn't hard to access, -has a nice well maintained path down, and a pub(very important!) with parking at the top of it! Perhaps you're thinking of somewhere else?

Yes it is silly.   Please stay focused.  Would you care if they made Hayburne Wyke a no take zone?  Not really. 

What was meant is that it's not exactly Sandsend Car Park, is it?  How often do you see folk fishing at HW?  We're not exactly talking Runswick Bay for access are we?   

Now, you might be someone who likes to tramp for 15 minutes to where you fish down a series of muddy steps.  That's fine.

But might I humbly suggest that's because you're not carrying a kayak? ! 

[Ramrod]

Last time I fished there was the Fleece Inn match. There was at least a dozen anglers there as the water was approaching high tide. The heaviest fish came fom there as well as a few other high placings. 

[biscuitlad]

Last time I fished there was the Fleece Inn match. There was at least a dozen anglers there as the water was approaching high tide. The heaviest fish came fom there as well as a few other high placings. 

OK.  I take it all back.  It's got the best access in the whole of Britian.

[Ramrod]

Not the best access buiscuitlad but it,s not exactly difficult. It seems like you,ve plucked that area out of the sky with little knowledge of it. You,ve had plenty of response from anglers who all disagree with you. There are youth groups which also go down there and Frankie Colling who is over 70 how much more evidence do you need. In my last post I was trying to make it plain that it IS a popular place to fish and especially over high water!! Maybe you should go to the Cloughton Club or even Filey,s meeting and explain to them the venue,s insignificance 

[Baramundi Bob]

Could well be a wind up Ray 

[wec]

I'll never forget the look on Paul Shorts face, when he got to the waterfall at Hayburn Wyke and was greeted by 35 smiling anglers  It was Filey clubs Xmas outing.
Mind you, he stayed and ended up with over 16lb

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