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[big cliff]

  so what really puts the colour in the water,  a big north / nor east wind , size of the tide, deep low pressure ? sometimes you get all sorts of combinations and the water is like ox tail soup , other times its gin clear, sometimes you dont get very much sea on but the water is really thick , so whats it all about ?

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[crabadabado]

Its easy Al, a teabag or if you prefer a spoonful of coffee. 

[MINESAPINT]

What about all the mud washing out of the Tyne, Tees & Esk after heavy rain?

MINESAPINT

[Baramundi Bob]

THats surely part of it. One question I can never get the answer to is why it goes clear on easterly.

[Dav]

Could the reason for easterlies not colouring the water as much as any other wind be because on the big scale easterlies winds come from out over deep water over the north sea . wereas the other winds are more coastal and cover  shallower water  , which makes sort of sense ,,,,,,
 

[robq]

    I believe that because an easterly hits our coast at around 90 degrees mostly, There is not enough sideways sweeping motion to the waves to disturb much silt from the bottom and colour up the water.
 
 When we get a S.E or anything from N.E to N.W you get a sideways pull to the swell which when coupled with the tide direction will scour a lot more silt and debris fom the bottom.

Also an easterly sea/swell does not have the fetch ( distance the wind blows over the sea ) so generally is a shorter/ weaker and less powerful sea, size for size than an equivalent Northerly.

Rob

[Baramundi Bob]

Hi Rob I would agree with that to a certain degree but isnt it starnge how the wash outs occur on an easterly. SO for this to happen the easterly must be able to do something to the sea bed that no other motion directory can create. THis has me baffled ??

[rusty1]

Could it be to do with the angle that easterly seas hit our coast in comparison to a northerly swell? Do northerly swells hit more lee beach (those which rarely see a big sea) and spots that are often in the lea of the prevailing winds and swells and so these areas gather much more sediment. thus when there is a big northerly swell it stirs all this up giving a lot of colour. Whereas easterly swells hit more what would be considered storm beaches so theres a lot less sediment in these areas to colour the sea up.

Only an idea, probably no-where near. Its just thinkin of the storm beaches over in ireland you can have a heavy swell from the prevailing direction and absolutely no colour in the water because there just isnt an sediment to be washed out from there swells. But I dare say when you get a swell from a different direction it will colour it up.

Id guess its probably a mix of factors. The fact northerlies run though shallower water as apose to easterlies sounds a good guess tho.

[Lobbers]

easterlies go against the tide, so doe'snt give the tide extra run, tide down the east coast runs north to south flood so norwester's push with the tide, places with south facing nooks and cranny's may colour up with a s se ebb, because the wind is pushing with the ebbing tide

 

[mike_]

maybe to do with the distance  the swell can gain momentum ,to the East there is only about 350 miles of sea where to the North or Northeast there is 1500 miles or so to get that big swell going -

mike

[crabadabado]

Lobbers the tide runs NW to SE on the flood, and SE to NW on the ebb. 

[Mick Dunn]

The dredger at Hartlepool colour the water. You can actually see it stretching out over a mile. I also think a lot of sediment is washed out to sea by the rivers especially after all of this heavy rain we have had.

Mick.

[Lobbers]

Lobbers the tide runs NW to SE on the flood, and SE to NW on the ebb. 

could have sworn that is what i said like

[Lobbers]

Lobbers the tide runs NW to SE on the flood, and SE to NW on the ebb. 

nw is a land wind col, the tide doesnt come off the land, it runs with a north tide, and puts the best sea and colour in our area

[crabadabado]

Thats right Paul the tide does not come off the land, but neither does a NW wind, it blows parallel to our coastline.
 

[northwestern]

cos some winds you  get just ruff the top of the sea up not really colouring the sea up,and are not blowing right out at sea. where as when the wind comes from a greater distance out at sea it courses alot more movement and current on the sea bed disturbing the sea bed thats when you get alot more colour in the sea  well thats my guess 

[robq]

Easterly seas are definitely shorter and weaker than Northerly seas due to the limited fetch. However because most of the time when we get an easterly, we almost always get the wind with it , the sea can sometimes appear to be bigger than it is. A 3ft northerly ground swell coming from a long way off that is cleaned and lined up, especially when there is little or even an offshore wind can appear almost flat, especially in between sets of waves. A 5 ft easterly with the wind on it can look very rough and impressive but in reality is a relatively short weak sea and no more powerful than the 3ft northerly.

Not sure about the washouts Genn ?  maybe as you say it is down to a certain scouring motion from the shorter and steeper seas or maybe it is down to lee beaches being caught as Rusty mentioned ?  That is certainly the case when mussels get washed off Smethwick bank in an easterly.
Maybe a bit of both

Rob

Rob

[Keith R]

Further to this lads ,what I do know is that Sage  and me were out last Sunday off the rock edges in Northumberland last week . Although we didnt catch (spur of the moment,missed best part of tide)  The guy next to us who had arrived earlier had 3 codling ,best about 2-3lb to crab and blacks.
I think this bodes well for the upcoming season. I `ve got a gut feeling that it`s gonna be better this winter. What do you think? Keith R(crackoff)